Voluntary Flu Vaccine Rationing Urged

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Old 10-06-04, 05:46 PM
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C'mon

I would hate to think anyone over 65 or a person with medical problems who needs the Flu Vaccine, be beat out by a healthy 46 year old. Anyone in their 20 & 30 do not need this vaccine any more than a Kid under 20 needs it.

Look I will be 53 next Month & have never had a Flu Shot. Why should I? It's suicide to want to fight the Flu you side stepped at 26 when you turn 70. What proof or study have you read that taking a Flu shot will allow you to develop that special lifetime imunity for that particular flu?

Yes once you get a flu even a mild case you will never that Flu again. What if? If however you don't get this imunity from the Vaccine that could really hurt in your 70s. Remember how the CDC told a big one to help sell all the vaccines up so their buddies did not lose $$ with left over Vaccine. How many other Fib's has the CDC told us? With as many separate Flu's all with their own names, nature gave us a gift by not having to revisit J7SD11X or J8SD11X again ever again.

It's your mind so you make the choice. My Parents think MDs are always right. I think that Doctors believe the MD. means Mini Dieity. The Parents believe they must have their Flu Shot. This time perhaps you could think about weather you realy need that Flu Shot at all, or maybe your 69 year old Mother could use it more.
 
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Considering that some projection must be made months in advance as to which virus is to included in the vaccine, there is a chance the guess will be wide of the mark. The vaccine won't be right every time. If there were not so much lead time involved in making the vaccine, this would not be a problem.

For many, the flu is a devastating health problem. 36,000 are reported to have died in the US from the flu last year. Over 200,000 were admitted to the hospital for treatment of the flu. Of course, these numbers are from the CDC.

For the normally healthy segment of the population from 6 or so up to 80 or so, the flu is mostly just two weeks of agony followed by six months of recovery. Those are the greatest risk are the very young, the very old, and those with compromised immune systems. The elderly are at risk of developing pneumonia, a serious problem in its own right.

I work in a high-risk profession as a paramedic, I work with sick people. I take the vaccine because I am not able to control my environment all the time and flu has an airborne vector that cannot always be avoided. I am a normally healthy 55 year old male.

With the loss of 40% or so of the vaccine this year, I would hate to think that my shot tomorrow will take away from someone who needs it more. I will be going to the county health department to get my shot. That way it comes from the allocation for my county. If I am turned down, I will wait until my employer provides them in a week or so.

I do not believe that the doctors are always right, but I do believe that there is a benefit to be derived from vaccination.
 
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Old 10-08-04, 11:17 AM
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ok my comments may seem a little insensitive but bear with my point of view. is the media making this worse than it is... or are they making us all aware of how bad the situation is.

my take, panic is setting in and less people are getting the flu shot than normally would... in my location all shots have stopped so they can be counted and rationed to those "who need it most"..... in my sarcastic mind this means those of us in the non-critical age group who want to get the flu shot will have to wait months and maybe it will be too late.

my situation is a newborn at home who is too young to get the shot but is at high risk..... why is it the case that a new born's mom and dad can not get the shot? the cdc is telling my family i have a highly at risk member and no way to control for a potential infection... at least if mom and dad cound get the shot exposure would be reduced by some amount.
 
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True, and there is no easy answer.
 
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Old 10-08-04, 10:26 PM
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Question Easy answers are no fun.

Why not discuss it? Like why did the US Vaccine Mfr refuse to make up the other missing vaccines when they had the time?

How did the Vaccines in the UK become Toxic twice?

When we had a new nasel vaccine come to market last year, Why did the CDC scare every age group into beliving we now all needed a shot or a snort every year?

C"mon let's get answers, & more questions after all we are DIYers & can think for ourselves.

How many of the Childern who died last year from Flu have other health issues? Also how many had the shot?

How many died from reactions from the vaccine? How many were very sick to begin with before the Shot was taken & died from a weak imune system?

For years the CDC has been telling us to wash our hands often flu prevention often works better than a vaccine that does not contain your strain.

Ok anyone else?
 
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Old 10-09-04, 12:13 AM
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Most, if not all answers people want can be found following the links here:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/index.htm

And these:
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm660_20041007.htm

http://news.google.com/news?q=flu+va...ab=nn&oi=newsr

The government will not ask Swiftwater-based Aventis Pasteur to make more flu vaccines to help alleviate an expected national shortage, but the company will squeeze out an additional 1 million vaccines from its existing production, bringing its total output to 55.4 million doses.By the time the vaccine is manufactured and available, it is very unlikely to be effective," said Julie Gerberding, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, during a conference call Wednesday.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=416046&rfi=6
 
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Old 10-09-04, 03:51 PM
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Thumbs up Taes good work

Thank You Tae.

Thank You for the excellent information.

Let's hope John Q reads it for himself & won't get into a dither over what he hears Dan Rather say. Also Chfite we Know you are in health care, & a first responder. No need for you to make any excuses, get your Shot & stay well.

My 02 cents
Eat well & take a positive approch to staying healthy. Remove your work clothes & shower when you get home. Remember your Family members come into contact with everyone you did at work if you don't take precautions. Influenza killed many more people years ago when good nutrition was not followed. Your chance of diying are better just driving to work & back than from (La Gripe) the Flu.

Very important is if you do get sick stay home & take care of yourself. Taking antihistimines & pushing yourself will only lead to an extended illness.

Stay calm your parents got you here without flu shots so don't make more of it than it really is, a bug. Too bad we can't just run an AV program .

Only we can keep that imune system strong. How? Look it up tae did
 
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Old 10-09-04, 05:55 PM
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last years bogus flu shot

To any one who is paying attention:

Last years flu vaccine was off. So everyone who ran to get injected based on hysteria just like this year was not really protected. Your shot did not cover the current flu for that year.

None of these "professinals" can predict if the current "shot" will really work for this year's flu. It is always a guess. Let them tell you different.

Stop wasting your time.

There is a lot of money to be made by these injections you are getting. I am sure panic/shortages adds to the price to our government or yourself and of course enriches the drug companies.

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Old 10-09-04, 06:24 PM
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None of these "professinals" can predict if the current "shot" will really work for this year's flu. It is always a guess. Let them tell you different.
kinda what the cdc says:"These viruses will be used because of their growth properties and because they are representative of influenza viruses likely to circulate in the United States during the 200405 influenza season. Because circulating influenza A (H1N2) viruses are a reassortant of influenza A (H1N1) and (H3N2) viruses, antibody directed against influenza A (H1N1) and influenza (H3N2) vaccine strains will provide protection against circulating influenza A (H1N2) viruses."
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals...ation/2004.htm

How are the viruses for flu vaccine selected?
Each year, many laboratories throughout the world, including in the United States, collect flu viruses. Some of these flu viruses are sent to one of four World Health Organization (WHO) reference laboratories, one of which is at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, for detailed testing. These laboratories also test how well antibodies made to the current vaccine react to the circulating virus and new flu viruses. This information, along with information about flu activity, is summarized and presented to an advisory committee of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and at a WHO meeting. These meetings result in the selection of three viruses (two subtypes of influenza A viruses and one influenza B virus) to go into flu vaccines for the following fall and winter. Usually, one or two of the three virus strains in the vaccine are changed each year.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/fluvaccine.htm

i work in healthcare around the elderly/immunosuppressed. i would rather "waste my time" getting the shot(cant have the live nasal app) than think that by not getting something so simple, i could spread the germs that would kill someone.
 
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Old 10-13-04, 11:26 PM
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I'm grateful for the flu shots! My dear mom use to get the flu every year. Now she gets the shots and hasn't had the flu in a very long time. She is 72 years young, and takes very good care of herself. However, she does have some health issues that make her vunerable to things like the flu.

I read that our college isn't giving the flu shot this year for the students. I'm not upset with it, but am shocked that there is already a shortage. Us college students don't need it, in my humble opinion, but some of the instructors and students parents do need the shot.

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Old 10-14-04, 02:46 PM
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Smile In the Begining

aomeara said:
To any one who is paying attention
I believe more people than you may think are paying close attention, & by coming off like a fearless know it all, helps no one. Many have bought into the Flu shot need, because of poor MDs. That's not their fault, it's human nature to fear illness, & get upset when you can see a way out only to be told there's none left.

When I opened the thread it was not to make people feel selfish or gready. Far from it. I wanted, by using the truth as determined by the CDC to determine who really needs or does not need, the Flu Vaccine.

Have you been following the Flu Vaccine news of the day? 1000% markup over last years price for shots, Doctors offices & Pharmacys being robbed for yes, you guessed it.


This would have never happened 8 years ago just because the truth was being told by our health care industry. I heard The President, Jay leno, & O'Reiley all said they were not getting a shot. I'm not getting the Shot because healthy Males in my age group don't need it.

Please feel free to think for yourself don't let others make up your mind. I don't see any Mds in this thread, so we are just speaking our minds using others hard work to determine who needs & who does not need a flu shot.

See Taes post & visit the links for the full story don't follow the heard blindly or the Crocks will get you No one will give you important info without being paid first. So educate yourself, & save some money that's what a DIYer does as often as possable..
 
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Old 10-14-04, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by marturo
Stay calm your parents got you here without flu shots so don't make more of it than it really is, a bug. Too bad we can't just run an AV program .
Would be nice wouldn't it!
 
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Old 10-15-04, 06:53 AM
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There is an underlying political reason that there is a flu vaccine shortage.
During the eight year Clinton administration (remember their biggest campaign promise was Health Care!), the government decided it would be best to set the prices and buy flu vaccines in bulk to control the prices.

Well, it failed!! The manufacturers said hell with it, we just won't make flu vaccines any more if we can't produce it for a profit. So many stopped flu vaccine production. Blame the Clinton admin.

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Aw, c'mon Fred, get with the program; haven't you listened to the news lately??? It's all GEORGE BUSH's Fault!!!

So says John Heinz-Kerry (there's a big surprise).

He's also responsible for the latest Mt. St. Helens rumblings, this season's rash of hurricanes, and your hemmorhoids!

Wonder how many former manufacturers of various vaccines were sued into bankruptcy by John Edwards and his cohorts........
 
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Old 10-16-04, 06:24 PM
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Smile Short term memory loss.

Do you realy think if someone could remember 8 years of Clinton, that they would sure as he11 not vote for the 2 Johns. Already courts are reinstating peoples rights taken from us by the Clinton Admin.

Funny how you & I can see something so clear yet as bad as it got under clinton & Reno. It's seems as we look back as if it may be another Countries police state, like the Dems are using these days.

Government Controls in Meds etc = a Socialist State.

PS: I believe I did see the president toss something into Mt St Helen's, I thought it was Michael More. That fat A$$ will surely make her Blow her bottom LOL.
 

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Flu injections only offer protection from ready strains for which they have developed protection. They offer no protection from new strains that developp every year. Frequent handwashing is the best protection. Keep hands out of nose and mouth. Shots tend to provide 50% protection. Health official recommend pneumococcal vaccination with polysaccharide vaccine as appropriate at any time of the year. It can be administered at the same time as the flu shot.
 
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Old 10-17-04, 06:08 AM
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And I can't help wondering if the media frenzy isn't helping to feed the problem, i.e. "Oh My God there's a shortage; quick get in line to get one before it's all gone!". Would be interested to know how many of those standing in long lines are also people who normally get the shot EVERY year and how many of them are simply reacting to the shortage.
 
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Tow-Guy...I agree. I see that there is a shortage. I hear that if I wait much longer, I might not be able to get a flu shot. My first reaction is to think..."maybe I better hurry up and go get one"...BUT...I never get one anyway. The thought that I might not be able to get one triggers some archaic instinct, chemical reaction, or whatever in my mind that tells me I should hurry up and get one. Not that I dwell on the thought, I just dismiss it, but I'm sure a lot of people don't.

Of course, the media is just doing their job right? lol
 
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Old 10-18-04, 01:00 PM
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Smile Ps

PS I forgot something very important. Where is the warning? For years I'm sure we all listened as the Flu reports came out every year. Type A Type B is how we clasify influensa. Type A like Swine, Spanish etc may not be the same Spanish Flu that Killed my Grand Mother & Father then placed my Father & siblings into an Orphanage.

Type B flu's have #s & are verry mild by comparision even so the Vaccines will contain a few with the best guess Type A. Has anyone seen or read of some mystery Type A that is in this 04/05 vaccine?

Cheese has a good point one that goes beyond the News & that is the people who use natural alternative health measures. Cold & flu, Imunine system boosters etc, are being bought up now & some shortages are cropping up. This is the first time I have seen this group most who do not get the vaccine, falling for the Mega news Hype. My Mom got her shot last week, her insurance will pay 1/2 or $50.00 she pays the rest. My Father who will be 90 in Dec, & remember he lost his folks @ 6 years old to the Flu, has never gotten a flu Shot in his life, he just seems to take it all in stride.

Out of every 100 people only 20 get the Flu, & out of those 20 people only 10 may get any help from the Vaccine. OH that is if we made the right guess on the correct strain last year. Now no DIYer needs to be an MD to see the folly in the News media Scare just look at the facts.
 
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I honestly can't even remember the last time I had the flu - adolescence, at least. I work in a hospital, and while I don't typically have direct patient contact, I go into several patient rooms each day, and I have to work on equipment that is connected to patients - I still don't see a good reason for me to get a shot. At worst, if I get the flu, I'll at least get to stay home from work for a few days, and that can't be all bad .

I agree that the hype in recent years about the flu shot is pretty alarming. The vast majority of people really don't need the shot, and are unnecessarily worried about it, IMO.
 
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Old 11-06-04, 06:46 AM
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I have never had the vaccine, and I am old...(not telling how...old..lol)


Never really get sick either...but I do eat well, keep my weight down, take vit.s and herbs,and protien...like, I take care of my health, at least I try to.
 
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Old 11-06-04, 08:22 PM
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The rest of the Story.

Thank's everyone for telling us your true feelings on the Flu shot & you.

Thanks for voicing your true feelings on the Flu Shot, they tell us a lot about how we all think. Now that the News has found other things to scare people with, the Flu takes a back seat.

Never the less the stat's don't lie. This year like years before, the same people that the Government say's should take the Flu shots took only 10 percent of what the CDC thinks they should take.

I don't now and never will take a Flu Shot. I like my Grandmother believe that we should take care of ourselves & try to keep as much modern medicine out of our bodies. She felt it had bad effects on our organs. Laugh at her if you wish, yet she died in her late 90s in her sleep.

So once again we will be tossing out Flu vaccine in 04, & can just about bet it was anoyher political Game, like the Money game they played last year. Could people be getting wiser, & doing more thinking for themselves?

Stay Well, Eat Well, think healthy thoughts.

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