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Old 12-04-04, 10:54 AM
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Pictures and Things

I would really like to see the ability to put .jpg images in your text that the text can wrap around.

Limit image sizes to under 40KB, maximum of 1 per post, and maximum size of 100 x 100 pixels. Clear out all images for posts that are over 20 days old since last post.

I enjoy the discussions in the electrical forum but wish that some of the switching/wiring diagrams I could create would be allowed to be posted in there. Pics are worth 1000 words??

Anyway, you have active monitoring for vulgar and obscene language, so I would say you could also do it for images.

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Old 12-04-04, 07:11 PM
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SkyKing,

This is a major sore spot for some mods (not mentioning who ), but suffice it to say that as much as many would agree, it isn't happening. At least for now.

Sorry,

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Old 12-04-04, 07:13 PM
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Oh, and you do realize that 2 lira is worth, well nothing in USD, right?

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Old 12-04-04, 07:53 PM
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It's worth it's weigth in..... well, as a paper weight!
 
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Old 12-05-04, 06:36 AM
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I agree,

We'd all like to see the capabilities increase around here.

I'm still holding my breath though on just having some of the basic functions in the new software that are broken, fixed.
Like "search for new posts"!!!

As far as posting images, even though it's quite painful for me, I'm trying to figure out how to use the space on my ISP to make a web page to host different examples in my posts..
 
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Old 12-05-04, 08:09 AM
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It should be fairly simple. You should have ftp access to that space using your email name and password. (AOL, Mediacom, TimeWarner, Cox, etc.. all practically work the same). Anyway, you just post links to the pictures in the site. It is an alternative but I don't like taking links from people I don't know. Sooner or later it will a comprimising link and I'll regret it.
 
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Old 12-05-04, 07:55 PM
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Ya, I just might use something like Webshots but I'm avoiding it if I can.
I have an account with Yahoo with some family pics but you need to be a member to view pics there.

I have web space that is included with my internet account that is going to waste.

Not a big deal to figure out ftp and Frontpage but I just haven't had the space in my brain lately for another learning experience.
 
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Old 12-09-04, 12:05 AM
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Well - looks like I was just spinning my wheels by asking for this very thing in the 'computer' forum. -tell us Big Daddy, is it a tech thing , or a 'political' thing ??
 
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Old 12-09-04, 06:16 AM
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So far as I understand it's in the hands of the moderators of the particular forum. If they want to take responsibility to heavily police their area for improper images.
 
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Old 12-09-04, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nomind
Well - looks like I was just spinning my wheels by asking for this very thing in the 'computer' forum. -tell us Big Daddy, is it a tech thing , or a 'political' thing ??
All I'll say is that it's not technical.

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Old 12-09-04, 06:34 AM
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Chris, this is your area of expertise, tell me if this could be right.

My belief is that in order to have the ability to have a website like this host pictures, cost would be a big factor in being able to do this.

Cost of the hardware and the diy computer guru's wages to maintain it.

Sound reasonable?
 
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Old 12-09-04, 07:36 AM
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No. With the rules that I outlined when I first posted, the problem of adding more capacity to the site would be averted. The files sizes of the picture would be equal to the file size of a thread, not 1000 threads. I'm sure this program uses xml to parse the information.

Each specification has a reason...

1. 40 KB or less: keeps load time down on the site if you are opening threads, so people on dial up don't have to wait so long. It also keeps a manageable file system that won't take up too much space on the server HD's.

2. 1 Picture per post limits a person from flooding the page with 30 pics in one post. Also, keeps file system manageable and load times down on pages.

3. Maximum of posting 5 pictures a day: This limits people from spreading pics across the site in a trivial fashion. Also, see reasoning for #1 & #2.

4. Keep picture size to 100 x 100 resolution: This keeps the pictures from being too large and making comfort in scrolling through a thread to a minimum. I have been on forums where the pictures can be full pages (1240 x 1020) which sucks because the text to picture size is too big.

5. Clear out all images in threads that have been inactive for 20 days or more. This keeps recursive file sizes down, keeps space available on the server, keeps "clean up" to a minimum.

This would aleviate most problems while adding a very useful tool to explaining one's thoughts and ideas with others.

But, yes, it would have to be activly policed as with all forums.
 
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Old 12-09-04, 09:31 AM
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Actually, it entirely depends. If this site were to have an image uploading feature where an image would actually be housed by our own database, then it could potentially tack on the need for a large amount of space, bandwidth, etc...

However, there are also ways to have people link to outside hosts, in which case all the site is really doing (in its code) is going out to fetch the image. That's not nearly as "damaging".

Either way, I think the ability to post images in every forum is important because there are many times where a mod or other user can use that image to SHOW someone what they're talking about.

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Old 12-09-04, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyKing
5. Clear out all images in threads that have been inactive for 20 days or more. This keeps recursive file sizes down, keeps space available on the server, keeps "clean up" to a minimum.
I agree with most of what you said, but this kind of defeats the purpose. When threads are archived in any forum, they are still searchable. Many people do this. They don't even post in a forum. They search for something, find it, and get the info that way. If there is a threead where there WAS a picture, but the picture is now gone because of archiving, then it was barely effective in the first place.

IF a forum does allow images, I say "all or nothing". If an image is uploaded, leave it permanently.

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Old 12-09-04, 10:49 AM
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What you both say makes sense.

I think that what we have now for images works to some extent.
The problem is that for it to be of use to the general public it has to be so that a few clicks will allow the upload of an image.

I also think that if even moderators only had access to some space that had an easy upload feature, it would make for a really nice tool.

I would catagorize my computer ability as fairly average, (enough knowledge to be dangerous) and know others have a hard time with some of the techy functions.
I have a pretty good time with <1mg and [ur1 but the learning curve for website building, ftp and managing the little bit of space I have on my isp is pretty steep. (Don't even know the difference between Vb, html or img codes.)
Quite a few mods here don't really want to be bothered by the details.
They just wanna post some pics.

It would be nice to have the ability to post pics but personally I would rather see some of the other tools we have repaired first.
 
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Old 12-09-04, 11:27 AM
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I can see your point about archiving World, and I agree, it might be confusing for some who want to see a post where the picture isn't available. The problem is, in XML or SQL the text is self contained in the file where it is referenced from. The picture is an external image where an explicit call will have to be made to serve the picture.

I do like the idea of a seperate host to put pictures on, as long as the picture can be displayed. For instance, there could be a button that doesn't upload the picture to the forum, but references an html call to the picture whereever it is at. That way, it is up to active users to keep their pictures around so they can be seen.

My problem with the link situation we have now is, 1. you have to open another window and de-rail your train of thought to view it. (As proffessional writing goes, you should never reference a picture that is not next to the text. If you do your message is lost. Of course big things are appendixed in books but it is still loses something in the page flips. This would be a similar situation.)

My other objection to the link format, is that I don't like taking people's links. While on the whole, most sites posted aren't malicious, there are some out there that are. I just prefer not to do that sort of thing. (Obviously the counter argument is to only take links from people you are familiar with on the site.)

Anyway, it's something that is a compromise no matter how you go about it (as is all computer programs/hardware).

Great discussion though. It never hurts to ask!
 
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Old 12-13-04, 05:27 PM
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I saw a picture!!!! Whoo hoo!

http://forum.doityourself.com/showth...305#post685305

Awesome. Great job DIYforum staff!
 
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Old 12-13-04, 07:33 PM
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I'm really not that bright about these things.

We have been able to do this for quite some time with "code.
I'm honestly not sure if I'm using vb code, html or img but with a few commands imbeded in the post I can make a pic appear.

Here is a pic of myself and my wife that I just put on photobucket to use somewhere else.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/hal2000/jangreg.jpg">

Like I said I'm pretty dense about this stuff.
What harm can come to me or other users by using this method?

Here is a link that will explain how these codes work here.
These are not easy for some to use, but if I can do it quite a few others should be able to as well.

I might add that we had problems with malicious postings at one time, the codes were turned off and thanks to the vigilance of the moderators of each forum they were turned on in most of them.
You will find that some of the forums have not yet been turned on due to not having "eyes" in that particular forum.
If you look at the bottom of each forum there is a box labelled "posting rules" that will show what is or isn't on.
 
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Old 12-13-04, 11:19 PM
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Hey Greg, - does it snow in Manitoba ?

seriously, it's great to see pictures again ! -when you do a photo like that, does it have to be in jpg on your 'desktop'?

Check your private mail. thanks.
 
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Old 12-14-04, 05:28 AM
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Inserting pictures

Snow, no, thats just dandruff on my wife's head.
Yes, seriously, we get an accumulation that can drift to four feet or so.

This site does not host pictures for a number of reasons but allows off site images to be shown in posts through the use of coding.
It is not as simple as it is on some sites where you just select "insert picture" and find it on your computer.
I can briefly explain it if you want to think about trying it.

You first need to have the picture(s) hosted somewhere.
I have just started using Photobucket but there are others.

If you right click over a picture and select properties in the box that pops up, you will see the actual location of the picture.

Here is the line of code that I placed in the post with my picture.
I have removed a < from in front and a > from the end of this line of code so the pic doesn't appear.

img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/hal2000/jangreg.jpg"

This code can make a word turn into a link like Photobucket above.

url=http://photobucket.com/about.php]Photobucket[/url

I have removed [ from the front and ] from the end of this line so it doesn't show up as a link.

Any questions, just ask.
 
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Old 12-14-04, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldBuilder
However, there are also ways to have people link to outside hosts, in which case all the site is really doing (in its code) is going out to fetch the image. That's not nearly as "damaging".
This is the way it's been done on every Vb forum that I've been a part of.

It's usually not hard to find some free space somewhere to host your pics. Many people have free web space included in the cost of their monthly ISP bill - unfortunately, many don't know how to use it!

If someone needs to post a pic, but doesn't have any web space to use, you could always ask another member to host it for you! This is also a common practice on many Vb boards. I've got 60 odd megabytes of web space that I rarely use, and I would be happy to host some pictures from time to time, if needed .
 
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