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Old 05-17-09, 07:07 PM
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Give credit to our "Fearless Leader"

I read an article in The Detriot News.com that gun &
especially ammo sales are at an all time high.
This credit belongs to our "New Fearless Leader" & his
rubber stamp congress..................
We salute you " fearless Leader"-------Beer 4U2Beer 4U2
 
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and they haven't even started talking about gun control yet.
can't get 38,380,45,9,5.56,7.62 anything or 30.06. shotshells are sky high, 22 is spotty. i thought some of the prices would come down as the commodities dropped and fuel prices fell but it was not to be.
i don't see it ending any time soon.
 
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If I remember correctly, around here gun sales were up 400% shortly after the election last fall. It was also reported that the gun shops had a hard time keeping supplies and getting new deliveries from their suppliers.
 
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Well, he stimulated the economy!!!!!
 
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Well, an armed society is a polite society. And, although untentional, he has created one of the most polite societies in the world.
An armed man is a citizen......an unarmed man is a subject.
 
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What about those of us who are nuts enough NOT to trust ourselves with guns, due to the fact it would be used
WAY too often, especially when driving?
 
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NOP..in that case you are a subject of your own emotions...lol

Oh, and here's a few more..in case chandler runs out...I like 6 and 7.

* The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.--Thomas Jefferson
* They'll have to shoot me first to take my gun.--Roy Rogers
* An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.--Unknown
* A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.--Unknown
* Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.--Unknown
* Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.--Unknown
* If guns are outlawed, can we use grenades?--Unknown
* If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.--Unknown
* If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.--Unknown
* Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.--Unknown
* What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?--Unknown
* The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.--Unknown
* Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.--Unknown
* Criminals love gun control--it makes their jobs safer.--Unknown
* The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.--Unknown
 
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Don't do it, NOP. GG, you forgot one....If guns cause crime, spoons made Rosie O'donnel fat! Couldn't help it!

"“When citizens fear their government, you have tyranny; when the government fears it's citizens, you have freedom."
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One reason for shortages is that the government ordered that their spent casings shall be destroyed and no reused for provate use. For decades, the DoD would sell their spent casings to ammo manufacturers, but now these companies have to get them manufactured, at significantly higher costs. Thanks to this administrations passing of HR45.
 
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Mark...are you saying they used to collect their brass after a firefight?

Or just on the ranges?
 
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One reason for shortages is that the government ordered that their spent casings shall be destroyed and no reused for provate use. For decades, the DoD would sell their spent casings to ammo manufacturers, but now these companies have to get them manufactured, at significantly higher costs. Thanks to this administrations passing of HR45.
that may have had some effect but does not explain the shortage of imported ammo. i'm not aware of any commercial manufacturer using military brass as it is not to spec for .308 or .223 according to the reloader i talk to. not sure about
9mm or .45. even shotgun ammo is thin on the shelves. .22lr is going out by the brick. raggedy azzed AK parts kits are 380.00 when two years ago you could buy one for 90.00. never seen anything like this.
 
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I'm still reloading military 5.56 from 1970's---works fine in all my .223's
I ran 1200 rounds of 12 gage AA target shotgun shells in the last 3 or 4 weeks.
when you have been reloading for many years---getting ammo is not a problem--
 
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Hey j Howard...do you get your powder local or online. I couldn't believe what they quoted me for a 1 pound can at the small shops here. Great people mostly, but the shipping just kills me.

I have about 2000 pieces of deprimed and polished .45, 1000 of 9mm, prob 2000 primers.
Bullets are pretty cheap...but the powder...jeez!!!

May have to try to find a bigger place in Las Vegas
 
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Originally Posted by Gunguy45 View Post
Mark...are you saying they used to collect their brass after a firefight?

Or just on the ranges?
Just on the ranges. .......................
 
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I finally had to break down & buy a pound of Red Dot-$19.95.
I liked to stock-up on powder--that is the first pound I had to purchase in about 25 years---the last one cost me $11.00
I'm down to about 25 # of powder--ammo will get more $$$$$ for me in the future.
I started reloading to save money---now it is just a hobby...........
 
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$20??? I wish! They're taking $35-40 for Bullseye 1lb or equivalent.

Gotta go check out the bigger stores in LV.
 
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I'm still reloading military 5.56 from 1970's---works fine in all my .223's
I ran 1200 rounds of 12 gage AA target shotgun shells in the last 3 or 4 weeks.
when you have been reloading for many years---getting ammo is not a problem--
you squirting .223 spec reloads in a .223 chamber using 5.56 brass?
 
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If you look it up---you will find that 5.56 brass & .223 brass are the same external dimensions--the brass on 5.56 may be thicker.
I load them for .223 w/ a 55 gr. bullet w/ 24 gr of H335.
Remember---in reloading you run the cartridge case thru a resizing die---it makes
everything right ( correct size )......................
 
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No rifle guy..but yeah, I think the brass and all is the same isn't it? It's the mil-spec chamber dimensions that can be different?

Ahh whaddo I know...lol
 
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Correct...
Ruger w/ their Mini 14 has no problem w/ you using 5.56 new cartridges.
Some rifle mfr's tell you not to use factory loaded 5.56 in their rifles--
may be a little hotter than .223 ?????

The Gun Zone -- SAAMI on 5.56 v. .223 Remington
 

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If you look it up---you will find that 5.56 brass & .223 brass are the same external dimensions--the brass on 5.56 may be thicker.
I load them for .223 w/ a 55 gr. bullet w/ 24 gr of H335.
Remember---in reloading you run the cartridge case thru a resizing die---it makes
everything right ( correct size )......................
it was my understanding the 5.56 military rounds will create higher chamber pressures than commecial .223. 2.23 in a 5.56 chamber ok, 5.56 in a .223 chamber not good. chamber leade is one issue and i thought i heard the case walls were thicker creating a smaller internal space in the cartridge. i don't reload so i don't know all the particulars. .223 chambers can be reamed to 5.56 specs you may be compensating for the difference in your reloading. i suppose as long as the final product is actually a .223 spec round things are just fine.
 
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Keep this in mind--the military changed the name of the .223 cartridge to 5.56--
You can take it from there........................
 
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Keep this in mind--the military changed the name of the .223 cartridge to 5.56--
You can take it from there........................
i'm not saying what you're doing is wrong j, only that i've been told by several knowledgable people that there is a difference between mil spec rounds and commercial loads. reloads are a different animal. untill the manufacturer tells me it's fine to run 5.56 in thier chamber i'll refer to this:
The Gun Zone -- SAAMI on 5.56 v. .223 Remington

of course with ammo the way it is now i ain't shootin nuttin till i know i can replace it.
 
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Just think of all those cartridge cases that you have left on the ground that
you could be reshooting now if you were a reloader----

By the way---do you own a AR-15 or a .223 rifle or pistol?
 

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A few years ago my town bought a former gun club with something like 300 acres of land with it. It is currently undergoing lead abatement. Could the lead be remade into bullets or is too much of a P.I.T.A.? I'm not doing the lead abatement, just made me wonder.
 
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The actual slugs could probably be recycled. The copper plating on some might be even better. Matter of fact, indoor ranges that use snail traps actually have the expended rounds picked up by metal recyclers.
 
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I really wish I knew what my grandfather did with the two .50 caliber machine guns he brought home from the Merchant Marines during WWII. However finding that ammo may be a bit difficult these days. I highly doubt that they would sell it at the local Mammoth Mart.
 
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Just think of all those cartridge cases that you have left on the ground that
you could be reshooting now if you were a reloader----

By the way---do you own a AR-15 or a .223 rifle or pistol?
oh don't worry, i keep all my spent brass. i tumble it and bag it for "the chance" i might start reloading. i have a Colt A2 in .223 and a Bushmaster in 5.56. the only rifle calibre pistol i have is an AK.

are you reloading any stell cases ? i've heard some are but it's tough on the dies. considering the state of things it might pay to start hanging on the the steel as well as the brass.
 
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I have approx 10,000 rounds (various cal ) in brass--no need to play with steel.
Also have 9000 rounds of.22 cal.--also 1400 shotgun shells.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk revolver in .30 carbine-when I fire this at an indoor range--
it makes a 44 mag sound like a kids toy.......................
 

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"no need to play with steel"

My youngest son prefers steel cartridges
He has one of those magnetic shop floor sweepers that he runs across his side yard where they do all their target shooting. Makes it easy to clean up the area and no suprises on the lawn mower
 
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Those floor sweepers are also great for after a roofing job. Do not know about anyone else, but I wouldn't appreciate roofing nails stuck into the soles of my feet. You cannot always see the nails in grass.
 
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"no need to play with steel"

My youngest son prefers steel cartridges
He has one of those magnetic shop floor sweepers that he runs across his side yard where they do all their target shooting. Makes it easy to clean up the area and no suprises on the lawn mower
I would be willing to bet .02 cents that he doesn't reload
those steel cases....................
 
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i pay my eight year old nephew to pick up brass. .01 per round. then, i grab the magnet and pull out all the steel before i cough up the cash... he falls for it every time. so far........
 
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I would be willing to bet .02 cents that he doesn't reload
those steel cases....................

You should have bet more than 2 cents - you'd win
although between being laid off and the rising price of ammo, he might learn to reload
 
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