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Democrats in my state legislature

Hello! In my state, the legislature is run by the democrats and the governor is a republican. The governor proposed a budget with major spending cuts which makes sense in these economic times. The democrats did nothing but complain about it. When they finally presented a budget, it had major tax hikes for the rich and business owners and increased spending. What will these politicians do when there are no more rich people to tax? Don't they realize excessive taxation of businesses will make them move to another state with lower taxes? Too bad tar and feathering isn't used anymore for folks like this. Even better to make these twinkies pay the $8 billion state deficit out of their own pockets.
 
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Politicians try to give their constituents what they want. A great many people do not understand that government has no money of its own but must collect all the money it distributes through taxation and user fees. What most people (politicians and non-politicians) totally forget is that businesses pass on any taxes and fees to the end consumer.

If a majority of the voting public wants (fill in the blank) service provided by government then the politicians will give them that service, in some manner. The non-thinking member of the general public now thinks they are getting free or lower-cost garbage service or medical service or whatever. They don't realize that nothing in life is free and they are blissfully unaware of how much they are really paying for all their no or low cost services.

I haven't yet decided if the public schools are to blame for this ignorance or if it is a carefully orchestrated plan to hoodwink the general populace.

I could go on but I won't.
 
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I do not want government run health care. I get rid of my own garbage, do not rely on public transportation, have never called the police for an emergency and the list goes on. It would be nice if these services were offered a la carte. My town valued my car at $1940 for personal property taxes, when I would be lucky to get $500 for it in the real world.



Sorry about the soapbox, I just had to get it off my chest.
 
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The only trouble with health insurance for the masses ( courtesy of our fearless leader & his rubber stamp congress ) is that here in the USSA ( United States of Socialist America ) ----the halves will have to pay for the halve knots.
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The Government owns NOTHING. They can't GIVE anything without TAKING it first. From whom are they gonna take it, and to whom will they give it? Soon those who have anything will tire of it, chuk it all, become one of the "receivers", and there will be no one left from whom the Government can take it.
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The Government owns NOTHING.
Not quite true, the government owns millions of acres of land, much of which they lease back for ridiculously low rates.

The government also owns a large share of the buildings that house governmental offices.

Government at some level owns many of the dams and powerplants.

The government owns a huge motor pool with almost any kind of motorized transportation and construction equipment you could imagine.

Come to think about, the government owns quite a bit of material goods.
 
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Old 07-11-09, 04:26 AM
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The PEOPLE own it, and grant the Government control over it. When the people don't exercise their political muscles, they grant the Government more and more control without lifting a finger.
Look for a major flushing of the commode come 2010. The people are beginnng to flex their muscles a little.
 
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The money for the auto bailout came from money meant to bail out banks, so why isn't our not esteemed by me leader in jail yet for fraud? Any chance for a recall election? I have more extreme ideas about what to do to our politicians but cannot mention them here.
 
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Look for a major flushing of the commode come 2010. The people are beginnng to flex their muscles a little.
How many times do we keep talking about cleaning house and we keep spiraling downward????

Rebublican(Bush41), then back to Democrat (Clinton42), then back to Republican(Bush43), then back to not only a Democrat(Obama 44)...but a hugely Dem majority - as if we really cleaned house that time. But now you want to clean house again?

It's futile. Our system only allows us to do so much in how we go about changing the status quo. Voting, alone is not the answer. More effective is voicing massive disapproval during Congressional tenures, in hopes that the methods of their madness yields us some changes in the right direction, during their term, without having to wait every 2 or 4 years to try to kick out that bunch, and put in another bunch that doesn't really change things that much.

How can they? We are in a huge hole, and we have to sell our country to the Chinese to bail us out. We are past the point of no return.

A billion dollars is incomprehensible, as I once illustrated, by saying that only 1 measely billion is 10,000 100,000 -seat football stadiums of people. Therefore you know that a trillion anything is impossible! And 12 of those is truyly impossible. No way can we pay anything like that back ever - no matter who we put in office.
 

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Old 07-12-09, 04:15 AM
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Ec, I agree. And I don't mean this in the incorrect manner, but those who voted for our current administration and legislature purely on the "race" thing and on the promise of money coming their way for free are finally waking up and saying "whoa". First of all, their money isn't there, and won't ever be. And they have been betrayed by the one whom they thought was their savior. Note the rating decline of recent days. It could give the impetus needed if they will just STAY awake. Certain factions of our society are lured by the promise of money, and certain political factions know it and use it to their benefit, even if it is a lie. Long term loss of short term memory.
To quote Forrest......stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Is there a way we could ship all those voters who have a lower I.Q. than a raisin and ship them somewhere so they can form their own government and let those of us with brains vote for someone who has one? I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the stupidity of American voters. At least I voted my conscience and wrote in my candidate's name.
 
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"......I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the stupidity of American voters....."

You got that right. We elected a president to two terms (GW) who has the brains of a sack of hammers. Go figure.

I've said on another forum that we need term limits, period! To me these 'career politicians' lead to nothing but corruption. The more time they have leads to more power and they tend to forget us little folk and what is actually good for the country. It's all about the MONEY.

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Democrats in my state legislature

The original poster was talking about the state legislature and not the Federal, which is strongly influenced/backed by networks, newscasters/anchor persons who are not real journalists, the entertainment industry and leeches like MTV and Entertainment Tonight that live off free clips to drag out a meaningless show.

Our popular Governor was faced with a 60-40 deficit of support in the state legislature that knew for several years it was legally required to have balanced budget, but sprung an excessive budget on him that was not really balanced. - He took the powers that were legally allowed to him and made the type of cuts he announced months earlier. He cut out the "push-ahead" and rediculous items in order to make the budget balanced as required to the budget and the law.

Now he has announced he will step down soon to leave the solution of the problems to the people (state legislature) that created the problem. - In other words, he dumped it back in their lap where it belongs. Now they will not have a person campaigning to throw mud at. He is personable, smart and young enough to plan 5, 10 or 15 years ahead.
 
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"......I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the stupidity of American voters....."

You got that right. We elected a president to two terms (GW) who has the brains of a sack of hammers. Go figure.

I've said on another forum that we need term limits, period! To me these 'career politicians' lead to nothing but corruption. The more time they have leads to more power and they tend to forget us little folk and what is actually good for the country. It's all about the MONEY.

Baldwin

You are free to say what you want about GW.......brave and selfless Americans fought and died for you to to do so. Lets face it GW was an easy target to make fun of and was the favorite whipping boy of the left wing media 24/7 for 8 years and counting but you can't deny that he had the balls to do what it took to keep us safe since 911.
So while uninformed Americans still get their jollies trashing a former president and govenor of Alaska they give the current president a complete and total pass who only has the experience of "community organizer" and a junior senator with no birth birth certificate and who can't complete a sentence without a teleprompter and who based his entire career from a Marxist named Saul Alinsky............Google Saul Alinsky and see what pops up. He wrote a book called Rules for Radicals. It's one of Obama's favorite books and what do you know.......he's using these tactics on anyone who dare oppose the "chosen one".

Bring it on........baby

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I'll go along with term limits. Maybe there should be a law that limits the amount of time the staffers can stay on the dole as well. No politician or staffer should be allowed to work for any "special interest group" of any type (including, unions, community organizations, lobbyists, etc.) for the same number of years they were in their government positions.

While were at it I would also like to have a law that says the congress can not pass a law that they do not have to abide by, oops we already have something to that effect in the constitution. OK, so maybe we the citizens should start making the politicians adhere to the constitution.

As I've said before, make them follow the same rules and use the same systems and they might start writing, and passing, bills that do not need 2 days and 2 lawyers to figure out.

That felt good, maybe now I can get a little sleep.

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Term limits, definitely!! But how would you get that many people to introduce and pass a bill that would terminate their job (ie. permanent status in la la land)? I think we the people have misunderstood some things. One being, WE can introduce legislation. We have had the notion that only legislators could do that. WRONG. They vote on presented legislation. That's it. Now, we have to break through the crust, which is thickened each year by the belief they are somewhat superior to us and we are only subjects to their whims. Sounds like how it was in 1775.
When directly asked by reporters and show hosts if they would abide by any health bill passed, all the legislators interviewed (that I have heard) have said definitely not, that they have "private" insurance. Of course this program they have was voted on by themselves, to benefit themselves, and to be paid for by the taxpayers. Now, with such perks that extend for the remainder of their lives, who would vote for term limits? I'm thinking of a number less than 1.
 
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I wonder if these politicians need a habanero salsa suppository in order to make them think " Gee our popularity ratings are at an all time low Let's get our heads where they belong and get out of office to let competent people in!""
 
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Isn't it funny there is a term limit on the Prez, and lots of Governers I think, even many state legislatures but none for federal. Now why is that? Hmmmmm....

How about max 3 (Senate) and 5 (House)..then at least 4 yrs before you run again at the federal level? You can go back and run in your state during the break.

Heck..the military doesn't just let you sit at one job for 30 yrs. And most companies want you to do different things as well, esp in management. "Up or out" I think they call it?

btw..nice reading on Wiki under term limits in the US. All this incumbency stuff didn't really start until the beginning of the 20th century.
 
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Term limits, definitely!! But how would you get that many people to introduce and pass a bill that would terminate their job (ie. permanent status in la la land)?
Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem. Not sure what to do about that.


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It seems to me we give undue respect to our legislators. Face it, when we see them in public, we call them "sir" or "ma'm", and we listen intently to what they tell us they are going to do. We have lost the knowlege that WE elected them to represent US. They should be in the "respect" mode a little more than their present uppity attitude. Their sole intent while they are in office is to do OUR bidding. They are our servants. They serve our purposes and make OUR agendae known and fight for OUR rights. Cute and simple.
I live a couple of miles from our former Senator, Zell Miller. He is the antithesis of what is representing us now. He cut no corners, told it like it was, and voted his head while in office, not party lines. He is down to earth, and very personable. He earned the greeting "Good morning, Senator".
 
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The two senators in my state Joe Lieberaman (notice the first 3 letters of his name), and Chris Dodd do not deserve to be called sir. Chris Dodd got preferential mortgage rates and then denied it and Lieberman who incidentally looks like an ad for death whenever he is on TV, stabbed his fellow Democrats in the back (I'm not one of them) by running as a 3rd party after he lost his primary.
 
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Yeah, Baldwin, Chris Matthews has a way about himself that just naturally triple clicks the Claymore.
 
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