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Sorry, but we're not going to start down that path on my watch and it has nothing to do with whether or not I'm an FOB (which I am not) and eveything to do with forum decorum.

Btw the video was pretty well done.
 
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Good Morning TJ,
Just making sure that you were on the job !!!!-

BTW--Our fearless leader invited the guy to the White House.
Catch you later
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Good Morning TJ,
Just making sure that you were on the job !!!!-

BTW--Our fearless leader invited the guy to the White House.
Catch you later
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I should have said Good Morning TG---O well--when people
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There is nothing you can do about whatever bothers you about him. Enough people wanted him and still want him to give them stuff. So it is hopeless. I'm sorry.
 
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Most people got to hate GB---I can wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
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I was at the local big box hardware store the other day, to buy a nut and bolt. Total $0.31, the cashier and I were talking about how in another 3.5 years the same nut and bolt would probably cost $100.00. Why can't we get real choices every 4 years instead of trying to decide the lesser of two evils?
 
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I gave 71˘ each for 2.5mm thick rubber x about 5/16ths o.d. o-rings the other day. At this rate, no small wonder an aircraft carrier costs what it does, to make.

And faucet aerators soared from $1.29 to 2.29-69 for the same aerators when gas got to be $4 a gallon.

But I do not think you can blame the Prez for this. He didn't cause this mess we already got to be in, before he took office. Even though some think his plans to fix it are convoluted - he did not cause this. He inherited a nightmare.

I don't hear any Harvard economic experts (or equivelant) coming out of the woodwork sharing their plan on how to put us back in the black - have you? It will take a visionary like Bill Gates - a true problem solver - who has a vision of stopping a hurricane in it's tracks, by putting ships out in the ocean that can pump cold water to the surface (a recently revealed true story!) -a visionary like this - to fix our economy.
 
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Don't forget to watch our fearless leader--he will be on TV tomorrow--he will explain
how he is going to force you to have health care---I don't know if he will tell us just who will pay for it & how much it will cost$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$-
 
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Sorry Ec, poor narcissistic prez didn't inherit TARP, the first bail out, General Motors, and now this catastrophic health care bill. He did this on his own. He will have to face the truth sooner or later.
First thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. He can't.
 
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well chandler, what would you suggest to invigorate the economy and remedy a situation where a person is allowed to die simply because they cannot afford treatment.

that statement is not meant to be flippant or argumentative. I would seriously like to hear somebody come up with ideas to solve some of the problems we currently face. Everybody blames the president, whether it be O or GW or LBJ or any other pres yet most are silent when it comes time to figure out what to do.
 
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Are you ready, willing & able to help pay for 50 million people our fearless leader wants
us good folks to pay for.
When the goverment says it will cost only 1 trillion---you can bet it will cost a lot more--
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Nap, I'm not blaming the prez for the onslaught of high medical costs and an out of control system. That's been in place since Eisenhower. We have a system where, as you say, people can't "afford" to have procedures. We are walking into a system where you can "afford" it, but you can't get it. Does that make better sense??? Many people are dying before they can get treatment (although affordable) in countries like Canada and Great Britain. Those figures haven't been made public, but are now coming to the forefront. Excluded from care will be the elderly, bet on it.
Sort of like the 92 year old guy who went to the Dr. not being able to urinate. Doc asked how old he was. Said he had peed enough. Next.
We've just got to put into place systems that work themselves out. Like the economy. Let big business fail. Don't give them billions and let them come back to the trough a month later for more. Fail, move on. It flexes the economy.
Same thing with health care. I certainly don't want Teddy telling me what type health benefits I have and when I can see a doctor. And that's coming.
We have a leader who is pushing his own agendae through a Congress full of dimwits who are temporarily in power. Like giving a 2 year old a hammer. Builds his arm muscles, but terrible on your furniture.
We'll make it. Nov. 2010 will turn the tide, and he is trying to push this stuff through before things change.
Like the original stimulus package, no one has read this bill. Dems will vote their party line, no matter what. Lemmings being led to the cliff.
Thanks....that feels better.
 
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I'll play along as long as things stay civil.

Article in the paper this morning that the Prez's approval ratings are taking a nosedive; guess the honeymoon is over.

My prediction? Obama is re-elected in 2012 (remember you heard it here first). If the economy improves, he's a hero; if it doesn't, the fallback will be that the economy was SOOOO bad that it'll take another four years to get it straightened out and thank God we were here the last four years or things would be much, much worse. GWB will still be the scapegoat. No "change" there; presidents and candidates are often elected, or reelected, more on the luck of the draw on what the economy or world politics is doing than on qualifications or planks in their platforms and whether the opposition has a viable candidate or not.
 
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.....First thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. He can't.
Hehe ---but lookie here-----what if a person keeps digging really really deep, and surfaces in China. You are then out of the hole.
 
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Easy ways to make healthcare more affordable. GET RID of all the lawyers who sue every time an accidental mistake is made. Make it so health insurance companies use common friggin sense by covering pulling an infected tooth instead of waiting for the infection to spread. Get rid of the idiotic juries that make lawsuits so expensive entirely. For a slip and fall case, the reward should be the suer paying both sides of attorney fees, but gets made to wear a T-shirt each day that says "Please help me, I cannot watch what the expletive I am doing or where I am going" every day for the rest of his/her life. Ban drug company ads from TV so people will not go to the doctor wasting their time with "Do I need this pill?". Sorry to get off on a rant, but I find it hard to trust Government health care after seeing the disaster known as the War on Drugs when it was easier for me to get heroin than cigarettes one place I lived. Heroin dealer lived in an upstairs apartment, gas station was 1/5 mile away. Heaven forbid the president produces REAL spending cuts like he mentioned families in this country are doing. Be nice to see gov't spending cut by 50% or more wouldn't it? GET RID OF ALL THE PORK!!!!!!
 
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Interesting slip & fall case here last week. An 83 year old women faked a slip and fall at a local supermarket of a large chain. Caught on video. She engaged a big-name ambulance chaser out of Tampa who sent the corporation a demand letter for $150,000. Guess they didn't know about the video. Would have loved to have been the company rep who called the law firm and told them to stick it.

Have to agree with NOP; there's probably enough pork, fraud, waste, and abuse to fund health care several times over; unfortunately it's what greases the wheels of politics in Washington and gets people elected and especially re-elected. Do look for any major changes. Pelosi is the one driving that train, not Obama.
 
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Yeah, Ec, but if you emerge in China, you'll just be in another economic nightmare, with cheap lead filled toys and sushi (bait) or is that Japan, get them mixed up all the time.
Sorry TG, I got carried away. It won't happen again. This week.
 
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Our fearless leader can talk all night---BUT--someone is gonna get screwed to pay for this------------NOTHING IS FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I imagine our grandchildren will be cursing out the people who voted for our currrent president. What were they thinking? I wrote mine in because I trusted both candidates as far as I could throw a pickup truck loaded with bricks. Too bad there is no such thing as a balanced budget amendment.
 
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Our fearless leader said " Medicare & medicade, goverment health care programs for the elderly and the poor, are the biggest driving force behind our federal deficit-unless they are tamed-we will not be able to control our deficit"
Does that mean he will take the money out of these programs to pay for another multi-
trillion dollar goverment program ???
If you get to 65 folks---sounds like you better be very rich---
Good luck America---your gonna need it....................................
 
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There doesn't seem to be much press [there's a big surprise ] on comparing the next generation's 800 pound gorilla (universal health care) with the previous one (Medicare):

When Medicare started in 1966 it cost $3 billion. The House Ways and Means Committee estimated that Medicare would cost only about $12 billion by 1990 (a figure that included an allowance for inflation). This was a supposedly "conservative" estimate. But in 1990 Medicare actually cost $107 billion.

Now, what's the estimate for the cost of implementing universal health care? Okay, now multiply that by a factor of 10 and you find out what the program could conceivably cost in 25 years. Scary.
 
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I imagine our grandchildren will be cursing out the people who voted for our currrent president. What were they thinking?
If the end of the world does not come first, I wonder. Why? Because we are already 11.5 trillion dollars in debt!!!!! And they say we are on the verge of bankrupcy. On the verge? At 11.5T? Does anyone fathom that kind of money? By explaining how many times a dollar bill can stack to the moon and back or around the equator are not good enough examples to allow comprehension.

So why does anyone take the debt serious, if all we ever do is talk about it? We all know that if we only miss one or 2 mortgage payments, we are done for, with the bank. Yet this country can go trillions? What in the..................?

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To my good friend Chandler,



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Eau Claire radio station hosts, John Murphy and Bruce Butler, on WAYY(am radio) this morning have medical insurance solved: In a nutshell, cap costs and leave the rest alone, with the private sector! And fix the economy instead by improving our manufacturing base once again, like our glory years. Then more people can work and afford to pay the now cheaper insurance. And to mandate at least some sort of minimum coverage that even poor people have to be responsible to buy, instead of flat screen tv's, booze and cigs (etc.)!!!

I will visit the website to see if anything about that is on it.
 
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Our fearless leader can talk all night---BUT--someone is gonna get screwed to pay for this------------NOTHING IS FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, it is not free now for the 47M without it. They stlil get a certain amount of emergency care and someone already is paying for that. You do know that we are already about 50/50 socialist/capitalist right? And it has to be that way with high polpulation. That is all there is to it. Pure capitalism allows for one company to take over the whole country, in theory. Rules have to be made by the gov't to stop that. And more rules have to be made so that the way our country works does not put a drain on it, or infringe on other people's rights. No news there!

Obama simply wants to blanket everyone to make it more fair (humane, is maybe a better word) for everyone, in the mannor of how insurance theory works. With insurance, you are always going to have those who pay in but do not receive; and those who pay in and receive way more than the amount of money that they pay in. That is just the way it is. The only true fair way is a user-fee system. And we all know even the more affluent working class would not be able to afford catastrophic care, nor even lesser than catastrophic care, unless we get more of the money share from those who can live without so much money .
 
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Okay, but as the old joke of How many politicians does it take to change a light bulb? Two, one to screw it in, one to screw it up. Why would anyone with an I.Q. of over -7 want the government to have anything to do with our health care? This is the same gov't that is allowing a lawsuit by ILLEGAL immigrants fighting deportation by claiming their civil rights were violated. These people should be given a free plane ride home after being held underwater for 1 hour without scuba tanks or any other device of that nature.
 
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What would we do with the bodies if we don't send them home? Do we want to emulate the great wall of China?
 
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Nap, I'm not blaming the prez for the onslaught of high medical costs and an out of control system. That's been in place since Eisenhower. We have a system where, as you say, people can't "afford" to have procedures. r.
So, you are saying that what many tout as the best country in the world, to allow citizens of that country to die, simply because they do not have the money to get treatment?

I had a discussion with a person whose father was diagnosed with prostate cancer. PC is one of the most curable cancers if treated while it is still contained within the prostate. Once it metastasizes, it is incurable, PERIOD. You can treat and delay the symptoms but it cannot be cured. Depending on how aggressive that persons cancer is, death may be a remote situation or it may be a quite short time.

So, this girl asks "can the doctor and the hospital refuse to treat my dad because he does not have insurance or the financial ability to pay out of pocket". Of course, the questions about medicaid and medicare were asked and he was not eligible for either.

So, the simple answer to her was "yes"

So, is that what you are suggesting? Allow this man, who had worked his entire life in a blue collar job, eking out a living but never having enough to save for such a situation, to die prematurely because he does not have insurance?
 
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This is the same gov't that is allowing a lawsuit by ILLEGAL immigrants fighting deportation by claiming their civil rights were violated. :
so, are you saying a persons rights are dependent on being a legal resident?

For some reason, some document comes to mind. I don't remember the entire paper but there was this one line in it that I remember:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
I don't remember the forefathers limiting their concerns to "all legal residents of the US are created equal....."

Gee, I guess they couldn't since there was no US when that was written.


Don't get me wrong. I believe there are a lot of abuses of our systems by illegals but I cannot fathom a country where we deem them to be barred from having the same rights we claimed belong to all men as they were granted by God and not a government.
 
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Nap, absolutely NOT! You left off the second part of my quote. Legally no hospital can deny service to any one on the basis of not being able to pay. We are moving into a situation where the "WAIT" for services will be lethal. You may very well be able to afford it through the Government's proposed insurance policy. But if you can't be scheduled for an MRI or necessary surgery, you very well may die before you get treatment. This information is coming to the forefront more each day from people in Canada and Great Britain. And they are under the same medical system that is being proposed for all of us. This wait for services will be mandated by politicians running the medical field, rather than doctors. What a horror.
 
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well, from what I know..they can NOT not treat someone.. if its life threatening...if they stabilize and get them on the bus for transport..thats when the responsibility ends.

There is a difference between public, private, charity and not for profit hospitals. I wouldn't pretend I know the difference.

Thats why I have my own suture and staple kit, antibiotics, the basics....wish I could afford one of the lifepac things...probably be cheaper to give everyone one, and train them to use it, than the proposed program.
 
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chandler;1597152]Nap, absolutely NOT! You left off the second part of my quote. Legally no hospital can deny service to any one on the basis of not being able to pay.
You are very mistaken. They absolutely can deny service for anything other than emergent care and only then are they required to stabilize for transfer. Once the life threating condition is under control, they can send you down the road.

this is a quote from 42 USC 1395dd

US CODE: Title 42,1395dd. Examination and treatment for emergency medical conditions and women in labor

research EMTALA for more information


(a) Medical screening requirement
In the case of a hospital that has a hospital emergency department, if any individual (whether or not eligible for benefits under this subchapter) comes to the emergency department and a request is made on the individual’s behalf for examination or treatment for a medical condition, the hospital must provide for an appropriate medical screening examination within the capability of the hospital’s emergency department, including ancillary services routinely available to the emergency department, to determine whether or not an emergency medical condition (within the meaning of subsection (e)(1) of this section) exists.
We are moving into a situation where the "WAIT" for services will be lethal. You may very well be able to afford it through the Government's proposed insurance policy.
I understand your point. I do not agree with that system either. We have to find something that will remedy both problems.

while we all are guilty of complaining about a problem, I have yet to see anybody come up with a real solution.
 
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I agree, nap, but as long as Congress has their health care paid for, no term limits in place and outrageous salaries for what they do, don't look for it to happen until "we the people" take charge and do something about it.
I write both my Senators and my Representative at least twice a month, and especially just before a critical vote. I'm not sure if it does any good, but do know if I didn't, I wouldn't be doing MY job. I urge everyone to have their contact information on their bookmarks. Take care.

GG, I thought I was the only one with such an emergency kit. I used to keep them for suturing my cows that got cut on fences, etc., but converted it to a personal kit. My wife used to insist I carry a syringe of Epi wrapped in a towel in my M30 box on my tractor. Wha fo? In case you get hit with hornets or yellow jackets out in the field. What do I do? Inject yourself. Where? In your heart (long time ago). You gotta be kiddin? Kiss my grits!
 
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My wife used to insist I carry a syringe of Epi wrapped in a towel in my M30 box on my tractor. Wha fo? In case you get hit with hornets or yellow jackets out in the field. What do I do? Inject yourself. Where? In your heart (long time ago). You gotta be kiddin? Kiss my grits!
epinephrine injections go in the thigh and if you are sensitive to bee stings (allergy) you need to carry one, especially if you are out where bees, hornets, wasps, frequent. It can be the difference between life and death.

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Yeah, nowadays they do, but a long time ago, I guess the theory of getting it in the system was different. I'm not allergic to them at all, so I never had the occasion to use it, and probably never would. Being a cardiac nurse, she just worries a lot. This wasn't even an epipen. It was a dead raw syringe of the stuff. Times are a changin'.
I have a nephew who is dangerously allergic to them, so if we go on a picnic or something, we have to be near him at all times. He knows how to use the epipen (he's in his late teens), but if he is in a situation where he can't get to it, someone else has to, and in a matter of seconds, from what I understand.
Good information for all on the link, however.
 
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It will be insteresting finding a doctor with 50 million new folks dumped into
the health care system.........................

BUT WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The goverment has a better idea......................
It's called Soylent Green......................

On page 425 of the House health care bill those collecting
social security will be required every five years to have
"END OF LIFE COUNSELING"
Good bye seniors............................
 
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The solution is simple: They need to make the bills less, so more individuals and employers can have insurance, and thus disperse the expense to more insured people - which then would automatically lower the cost.

The way it is now, thousands a day are abandoning insurance due to costs going up from about 15-22% every single year, for years now!! And this unsustainable increase is causing more to jump from the wagon. Thus causing insurance companies to charge more to the people who have stuck it out! This is silly!

They have to go all the way back to the beginning and find out why new hospital wings cost so much to build, compared to how they used to, and what parking lots used to cost compared to what they used to, and why MRI machines cost so much, and put caps on malpractice more than what they already are, and find out how many and for what amount $'s malpractice suits were in say the 60's compared to now, do not duplicate tests amongst different doctors, and on and on.

There has to be a way of curtailing the high costs, without having to make doctors and nurses take cuts in pay, because that approach is a recipe for disaster!!!

When I was a kid, in the 50's and mid-60's, doctors lived in mansions. And I have heard of people from back then who had colon cancer that got cured (still alive after 40 years!!) and my grandma had a kidney removed many many years ago, and went on to live to be 97 and my mom claims her mom paid off that bill in full, herself, over time!!!

How was all this working back then, and can't work now? Where did things go really amuk? What's up? They need to research the past and compare to the present, to get to the truth, where the steepest increases lie. And why they are there. Like -were people suing doctors and hospitals right and left for even hundreds of thousands of dollars then? I don't know. But we need to find such things out, why things worked then, and why they don't know.

I had health insurance and they claimed the same molarky at rate increase time (like I said, from about 15-22% a year) reciting the same stuff (specific things they listed -the same stuff) how the costs keep going up. What costs?! And why at 15-22% bulloney. They have had ultrasound, mri's, etc., now for years!!! THis is not new stuff. So what is making it go up more than 3% a year - like cost of living index does??????

How many brainless idiots does it take to find the answer to these questions and stop the bleed?

If an mri machine say costs $5m (made up by me). Why does it? Eh? And why does the hospital need to pay it off in 1 year, when us commoners have to pay off things over great lengths of time? (also guessed at by me)? Could it be certain companies are riding some gravy train (like the company that supplies the military with a $400 hammer, or something?)? Shouldn't then competition open, and cause such high-tech gadgets (if that is the excuse why med costs are so high - to cause these machine to plummet in price the way calculators came down in price from $100 -(late 1960's) to free! (that much of a difference!!), if you bought a magazine subscription!! That sort of thing.

Nope. There is some kind of secret racket that has been going on - and it has to stop. The insurance company renewal/rate hike notices are full of cliche'd bs. The costs need to come down so we can keep the same system we have!!!, with free-enterprise, except that we get premiums to plummet by half or so. That's how it has to be done.

Then if I heard right (as I am eating this subjset up on talk radio and tv), that 5% of the people are responsible for running up 50% of the medical bills!!!! Is that true???? These people that keep going to doctors every 5 minutes for every malady under the sun, often responsible for their own non-sensical lifetstyles (and ever watch those real life ER shows where guys are being shot in inner cities and the mess they are in and how expensive their treatment must be because they were in some gang or something? - while I devote my whole adult life to aiding people for cheap, every single day I am alive, and can't get my cavities filled, let alone anything else?????!!!!). And women who keep taking their babies in once a week for the doctor to say, "Yep, it's doing just fine?" -while---what do they Amish do? --what did people do years ago???? Stuff like that.

We need to find out why these 5% are in the state they are, who/what caused their problem, and what can be done about these people!!!! And cut out the non-sense. Especially those who keep going in to emergency, repeatedly, for the free stuff, while I sit here in my body and rot away to not burden anyone, and operate on myself whenvever I get the chance, and never pop a pill to not cause non-sensical chemical reactions you hear all these law firms on tv advertising their class action lawsuits. This is non-sense and has to stop.

All these pill poppers, who do not know what they are doing and the doctors behind this have to stop this non-sense. The latest one I saw is (they say)by taking this one susbstance, it is ruining people's kidneys. Idiots!! Don't they know that when our bodies did not evolve or otherhow get created, that this stuff is foreign to our bodies?, and hence there will be a 'reaction' in the same way a sliver tries to automatically dispell from our bodies? Don't they know that? And idiot doctors who cut open say a blister and bandage it? - don't they know that blisters are natures way to heal? Stuff like this is non-sense. Even fevers (up to a moderate point) are meant to fight. What do they do?, give drugs to stop the fever? Nature gave fevers because it knew what it was doing, and we think we know more than nature? Crazy stuff.

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Old 07-24-09, 03:57 PM
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I just had my knees shot with Synvisc One. Great stuff for bone-on-bone knees. It is a synovial fluid made from a rooster's comb. 6 ml syringe (you have to buy it and take it to the doctor for injection) is $823. Times two knees. Thankfully my wife's insurance at the hospital is good. I paid $60 each for them. NOW, someone tell me a product that has been on the market for years has residual research costs like that? Hockeypuck! Doctors and nurses earn their pay (at least my wife tells me she does), but drug costs shouldn't be that high. Why, if the cost is there, can't the government do their bidding with the drug companies. I think the elderly could stay healthier if they didn't have to choose between necessary drugs and beenie weenies. And that's a cold hard fact. Too many are foregoing treatments and are degrading daily to the point of death.
Ec, note one of the side effects of one of the psoriasis drugs is death??? Hey, give me a dozen of those!!
And the overuse of antibacterial soap goads my wife to insanity. You kill the bacteria and your body won't know how to defend itself naturally. Whatever happened to playing in the dirt?
 
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Old 07-24-09, 04:05 PM
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chandler...can't you just eat some cooked combs and get the same benefit?lol

And you buy it and take it to the doc? wth is up with that? Why don't they have it in the clinic and just add it to yer bill?

Amen to the antibacterial soaps...stupidist (and smartest marketing) thing in years.
 
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Old 07-24-09, 05:01 PM
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Nap, if you are in another country ILLEGALLY, I would lay odds on the fact that you would not be treated as well as the ILLEGAL citizens here. Most of us had ancestors who came over LEGALLY, so why can't they? I cannot believe that these folks automatically assume that everyone here speaks spanish like they do. When my great- great grandparents came here LEGALLY from Germany, they must have learned English pretty quick in order to be understood in the early 1900's.
 
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