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Old 11-08-09, 02:03 PM
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Car Dealer's parts prices

Why is it dealer's have the highest prices on parts? They of all people should have lower prices because they partially control the manufacturing process by design.
I had a lift pump go south on my Cummins this past week. Parts houses wanted nearly $200 for theirs, on average. Dodge dealer wanted my first born and $350.
I am too frugal to part with my money so easily. Went online and bought two identical pumps, NIB, for $100 total. Now I have a spare, which I probably never use, because of the "preparedness" modicum. I have $100 left over to put fuel in the tank.
So what's up with the dealers?

I can't believe no one has posted here in 4 days. TG, you really put the quietus on this the other day!!
 
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Old 11-08-09, 03:07 PM
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Re: Dealer parts

Somebody has to pay for the big screen plasma TV and the capuchino machine in the waiting room.
 
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Yea, long time ago I used to work at a new motorcycle dealership. They did the same thing ...their parts were high !! Many of the same parts from different part mfg were half !!!! Its like they really dont want the business but if you're stupid enough to buy it from us...... open up the wallet !!!
 
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Yeah, it seems for high dollar items they keep them in stock. Lost a starter bolt and went to the dealer, 'cause I knew they would know the proper size, etc. Nope. They don't even carry bolts! They couldn't even tell me the size or thread. I asked what they would do if a car came in and needed one. Shrug.
 
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Car manufacturers do not always make the parts. They are often made by the subcontractors that commonly supply many different car manufacturers also.

They (dealers) buy them and sell them, but usually have an inventory of common ones.

There are other parts manufacturers that make similar parts and may sell them even cheaper, but there may be little guarantee. There are also the OEM parts that that are sold elsewhere.

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It's all about the money. Dealerships probably make more money on parts and maintenance than they do on new car sales.
 
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Old 11-09-09, 07:43 AM
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One thing many of you have failed to realize is: a dealership buys their parts from whomever line of vehicles they carry (Ford dealer buys parts from FOMOCO, etc.). An auto parts store can often purchase directly from the parts OEM. That puts a middleman in the dealers parts pipeline that may not be in the independent parts house pipeline. That middleman has costs associated with handling the parts and most likely expects some profit as well.

Also, be sure you are comparing apples to apples. We are talking about part from the same parts manufacturer, right? Unless the manufacturer is the same guy, there is no fair comparison since the parts are not the same part and there is often a difference between OEM parts and non-OEM parts.

A dealership is kind of held hostage in this situation. They must buy from the brand name manufacturer. A parts house can buy from whomever they want.
 
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IMO buying parts from a dealer is my last choice. I know sometimes the after market parts aren't as good as the original [like the dealer sells] but often they are just as good.

Last wednesday night on the way to church I hit a deer with my wife's merc. Fortunetly there was little damage besides the broken headlight assembly. I'd guess about $500 worth of damage if a shop fixed it.... and the deductible is $250. The deer didn't stick around so I couldn't find out if he was insured I didn't check dealer price but on the internet, most headlight assemblies to fit her car were a little over $100 [1 place was $388]
Care to venture a guess as to my repair plans?
 
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Mark....knowing how supportive you are of the economy...I'd guess you will be filing a claim so your rates go up and then taking it to the biggest best equipped Dealer in town?

No?

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Vic, you must have me mixed up with my 2nd cousin [or is it 10th] that has more money than sense....... or did you mean my wife - she's never seen an occasion that didn't involve a need to go shopping She tries to recirculate every dollar she gets her hands on.

I ordered the headlight last thursday and it's suppose to get here on wednesday
 
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My first car was a Fiat Spyder so I had little choice but to go to the dealer for parts. Amazingly, the dealer prices were almost always lower than aftermarket suppliers. Brake rotor as I recall was about $14 from the dealer and close to $50 aftermarket. This pretty much held true of all parts for that car and also the Fiat 131 I bought a few years later.

Then my wife bought a used Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. I needed a cooling fan radiator switch so I went to the dealer. I think it was $20 and I later found out aftermarket price was about $4. Same with every other part I eventually bought for that POS.

I had a Dodge D-50 (Mitsubishi) pick up for several years. Aftemarket prices were cheaper than Dodge but amazingly some Plymouth parts were cheaper than Dodge. I needed to replace the rear brake shoes and bought aftermarket for about 2/3 the cost of dealer but I couldn't get the drums back on even with the adjuster in the minimum position. Since it was my only vehicle at the time I had to put the old shoes back on and return the aftermarket shoes. Went across the street to the Dodge dealer and got a set of genuine shoes ($12 vs. $8 at the aftermarket as I recall) and they fit perfectly. While waiting at the dealer I overheard a guy buying a new starter. He said he had gone through three rebuilt aftermarket starters in the last year. The aftermarket dealer gave a "lifetime" guarantee so the guy hadn't had to pay for the starters but he did have the time invested in removal and replacement. The Dodge parts man said he would personally guarantee the genuine starter to last for more than a year or he would replace it himself.
 
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I always wondered about why parts for the same basic vehicle (Mazda Tribute vs Ford Escape in this case) could be different. Of course I know the dealer markup may be different...but surprized at how much.

Needed strut bearings...$35 Mazda...$44 (or so) Ford. A-arm...
Mazda $70 something...over $100 Ford (though they gave me the Mazda price since the Mazda guy had called ahead for availability). This was when Ford owned a chunk of Mazda, don't think they still do.
 
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Originally Posted by chandler View Post
Yeah, it seems for high dollar items they keep them in stock. Lost a starter bolt and went to the dealer, 'cause I knew they would know the proper size, etc. Nope. They don't even carry bolts! They couldn't even tell me the size or thread. I asked what they would do if a car came in and needed one. Shrug.
Probably take out the other one and go shopping at a junkyard, hardware store, or one of the chain fastener companies.

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I needed to replace the rear brake shoes and bought aftermarket for about 2/3 the cost of dealer but I couldn't get the drums back on even with the adjuster in the minimum position. Since it was my only vehicle at the time I had to put the old shoes back on and return the aftermarket shoes.
I wish I was there with a tape recorder or video camera.

Did you play around with trying to grab them and shift them side to side? I remember having to do that when I've done rear brakes and they did not fit, until I did that.

I wonder how they could make a production run wrong. They probably sold you the wrong ones. Parts places are known for that.
 
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Ec, me senile?? Now where was I? It is just aggravating to not be able to get the parts you need from someone who you would think should have them in stock. A dealer of that brand.
 
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I wish I was there with a tape recorder or video camera.

Did you play around with trying to grab them and shift them side to side? I remember having to do that when I've done rear brakes and they did not fit, until I did that.

I wonder how they could make a production run wrong. They probably sold you the wrong ones. Parts places are known for that.
I used to make brake shoes for Bendix. Fun job when the shoe came off the jig when grinding the radius and they went flying across the room. I knew a guy that had a scar about a foot long where a shoe got him on the forearm.


If you cannot put the drum back on, 99% of the time I have found the parking brake partially applied. The remainder of the time it has been: worn backing plate that had grooves that would not allow shoes to return to fully released, adjuster dirty and would not thread all the way in or another problem with the adjuster if it was not a typical screw type, the ridge on the drum would not allow it to be put back on, or they were the incorrect parts but I do not remember of the 1000's of brake jobs I have done that the shoes had not been ground to the proper size.
 
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It was more than twenty years ago but yes, the adjuster was clean and adjusted to the minimum; no, there was no ridge in the drum or on the backing plates nor was the parking brake partially applied. I think the lining was just plain too darn thick meaning that it had not been properly ground after being glued to the shoes. The outside diameter was simply larger than the inside diameter of the drums.
 
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Funny that mark would mention headlights. A tow buddy of mine recently discovered an on-line headlight supplier when he needed an assembly to get an impound car ready for market. Once he put me on to it I replaced the headlights on both my wife's car ('01 Camry) and daughter's car ('96 Escort) for $140 total delivered to my door including bulbs. I shudder to think what OEM ones would cost.
 
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TG, are you saying you got 4 headlight assemblies for $140?

I don't know if the one I ordered comes with bulbs or not. Fortunetly the headlight bulb didn't break - it's $25. UPS is supposed to deliver today..... if the creek don't rise above the bridge is it ever going to stop raining?
 
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Both of our creeks are topping out this morning, but we're on a mountain, so no danger. I feel for the flatlanders, though. They will be getting it in a few hours.
 
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Oh there's no danger of flood water affecting my place but to leave I have to go down into the holler, down a 1 lane road and cross the creek to get on the 2 lane road.

The biggest problem is the fact that UPS is an equal opportunity employer. They have 3 drivers that service this end of the county. 1 will almost always come up my driveway [came once in a light snow] another drops off packages with the neighbors and the 3rd turns around and writes 'undeliverable' on the box
 
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It was more than twenty years ago but yes, the adjuster was clean and adjusted to the minimum; no, there was no ridge in the drum or on the backing plates nor was the parking brake partially applied. I think the lining was just plain too darn thick meaning that it had not been properly ground after being glued to the shoes. The outside diameter was simply larger than the inside diameter of the drums.
well, I can tell you with confidence it most likely was not the shoes being too thick. The amount ground from a shoe is quite minimal, you know, whatever gets ground off is waste which means they spent too much to make them that thick just to be grinding them down.

I have had hundreds of brake cables that were stuck on just enough to cause your problem. The quick check was to leave the parking brake link out and see it the drum fits. We have an unwritten rule with parking brakes up here;

if you use them at all, always use them. If you don't use them all the time, don't touch the pedal (or whatever actuator you have).

even hitting a chunk of ice can jerk the cable enough to engage the brake just enough...
 
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Did a neighbor's Nissan Sentra DISC brakes this summer. After sticking on those spacers, the calipers would not go back on, even after the calipers absolutely positively had their pistons bottomed all the way in the caliper. I took the stupid things? off. I shouldn't maybe be calling them stupid, when I am stupid for not knowing what they are for exactly. We, jointly, decided to leave them off, because the pads we replaced, which were identical to every bend and hole in the new ones, did not have the spacers. And months later the neighbor is happy how the brakes work, and there are no squeal sounds or anything either.
 
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Sometimes aftermarket parts cover a few different models.. so you can get adapter plates, extra bolts etc.
If you had the caliper piston pushed all the way in, and it still didnt fit, then those plates were for some other model.

(just a sidenote, I did the brakes on our Crown Vic a ways back, and afterward found out I was supposed to do something (loosen some vent ? I forget) to the ABS system when you push the calipers back. I just did the usual watch the brake fluid level deal... now I know to read the manual first.. (maybe..)lol

I buy most of my parts from the aftermarket guys, a couple of times Ive been shocked to find dealer parts cheaper. Ive never had a deal part not fit/incorrect part. Ive been burned quite a few times from aftermarket (but all solved in the end).

Funniest one was a wrong U-joint for my gm p/u. The caps wouldnt go over the joint (wrong bearing size). Was late at night, so I gave up. For some odd reason, in the early a.m., I thought, hey I can jury rig something and still get to work. Put the caps over and wrapped the deal with this seriously strong glass tape and a bunch of vinyl. Just had to make it gently 14 miles into town. A mile down the sideroad, the driveshaft flew off !! (go figure)
 
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Yes, got all four assemblies for a grand total of $140.

Haven't installed the Escort ones yet as daughter is up the road a ways at college, but have had the new ones on wife's Camry for a while. Amazing how much better you can see the road.
 
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I thought $101.55, free shipping was a good price. Care to share what vendor? if it isn't proper to post in the forums - PM me.
 
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