To Good To Be True?

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Old 01-25-15, 06:51 AM
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To Good To Be True?

I went to a Gun and Knife show last month and upon first entering to convention hall, there was a table with a see through box on it and forms to fill out for a door prize. So, I scratched my name, email, age and household income on the slip and fired it into the box. It was my first show of this type and I was caught up in all the stuff from emergency rations, to custom leather goods, to any kind of firearm you could think of from wild to mild. I think I walked away with the feeling that is was great to have all the selection available in one place, but there really was not any savings per se vs buying from a local dealer whom you could build a relationship with.

Anyway, a month later, I get a call that my name was chosen from the bin and I was entitled to $200 in gift cards. However, the gal would not talk to me alone, as I had checked "married" as my status on the entry form. It took 2 days of phone tag before we were able to coordinate a conference call that included me, my wife and this girl Katie. Of course Katie could not provide any information, her job was strictly to get both of us on the line. We were transferred to Jackie who was as pleasant as could be. And because we were such nice people, she would throw in a 3day 4 night stay at a resort near by. Mind you, I still thought I won a door prize. We continued to talk, and the hair began standing up on the back of my neck that something was not right. But these skilled talkers have an answer for every question you ask. Almost had me going that I would have to show up in person for a formal presentation of everything I had won. All I would have to do is (wait for it), provide a $75 refundable deposit to ensure my appointment.

Apparently, there was some fine print on the back of the entry form, which I am sure nobody read, that said that I would have to sit through a presentation. They were selling TIME SHARES located 15 minutes from my house. Who the heck buys a time share where they live? I informed Jackie that there was no way she was going to get a credit card number out of me and to have a nice day.

What a complete and utter waste of my time.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 07:12 AM
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At least you were smart enough to follow your instincts!
Hmm, wonder if the gun show had something to do with that or if the scammers just were able to get a hold of the names in the box? I can't see the gun show having something to do with that.
 
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They are everywhere. I enjoy hunting, shooting, and guns in general, and I like legitimate deals, but of all the things that I am most adamant about not doing, gun shows and filling out cards like that are at the top of the list.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 07:21 AM
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In thinking about it, maybe they do sell the names in the box. I've filled out things at shows in the past, and started getting advertisements in the mail.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 07:38 AM
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Come to think of it, I do receive email alerts from the host of the gun show about other shows in the state or close by. So it would appear, that the time share outfit would at least offer to populate the mailing list of the gun show hosts for the privilege of spamming everyone that attended.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 07:56 AM
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Actually the primary reason, or perhaps the only reason, for those type drawings IS to get names onto a calling list for telemarketers and scammers.
 
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The last time that I filled out one of those cards was probably at least 15 years ago, and it was a decent enough place, maybe an auto show or something like. Anyway, I usually don't use my middle name or initial for something like that, but that time I used a different middle initial and intentionally misspelled my last name. Sure enough, I still get mail under that non-existent name, roofing and siding companies, credit card applications, and all of the other usual junk mail, and can track it to my home address on the internet.
 
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Last time I had to deal with that marketing approach was trying to convince my mother she hadn't really won a new car. But what scares me is, they keep getting better and I keep getting older. Today I can tell the difference in a heart beat, but I had my dad and my in-laws live with us through their final years and doubt I will do much better. People who pray on the elderly should jailed for life or worse, hard labor in the Louisianan swamps comes to mind.

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Old 01-25-15, 09:10 AM
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I agree with that, Bud. That really gets my goat. When it happens to someone young and naive, well it's a life lesson learned, but shame on them that do it to those that no longer have their wits.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 09:27 AM
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Could someone help me get the hook out of my mouth....

I think part of the problem is that I attend too many local community events where there is an actual raffle or door prize with real winners drawn. Now I have always steered clear of those ubiquitous boxes you see everywhere offering a free vacation. Those obviously have the words relating to a presentation on it in fairly straight forward language. These were sign up cards that were run through the photo copier and cut by hand.

Have a good friend who sat through one of these presentations. They lock the doors and do not let you out. They offered a daycare type set up for the young kids so both he and his wife could attend. He actually had the feeling that the kids were being held for ransom as they would not let them leave. He finally signed, gave them the card information, left, and called the CCard company and promptly voided the transaction.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 09:40 AM
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They lock the doors and do not let you out.
Couldn't they be charged with kidnapping! I mean, really. I would never go to one of those things anyways.
I think if I signed up for a door prize (or whatever), and someone else calls, I'd tell them I'm only interested in what I signed up for. Then I'd start giving them a really hard time, where they'd want to end the call first.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 10:07 AM
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Raffles are one thing. You make a monetary investment on a gamble that you will win. If you don't, then not a lot lost. If it is FREE, turn away and run. No one can make money giving things away, I don't care how deep the pockets are. Their ROI is too small.
I finally found the source of all the robo calls I have been getting on my cell phone lately.........OK.....it's our Chamber of Commerce I only have my cabin rental with them and only my cell phone. Most others have my home phone. The robots call and ask for the owner of my business. I have lodged a complaint with the CofC about it, but they swear they haven't sold a mailing/phone list. Yeah, right.
 
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Calling lists are just another fruit harvested from hacking into a business computer. That information can be separated from the illegal source, combined with others, and sold without concern, who ever checks the source of a phone list.

What ever happened to the "don't ever call this number" list? Larry, you mention cell phone, I use text only and sure enough I get "text spam". I have addressed it a couple of times with my cell service and they try to block, but once your are out there, changing numbers is the only choice.

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Old 01-25-15, 11:08 AM
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In a casino in Vegas several years ago and filled out one of those, Found out I had signed up for internet storage I never used or knew I had and than they buried the bill in my cell phone bill. Four years later found charge and called them and was refunded for all the years. Than Cell phone company said they would credit my account but not give me the money. One call to utitilites comm. solved that problem.
 
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Old 01-25-15, 12:30 PM
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I got hit with that kinda thing one time a wife ago after leaving info for a "raffle" at a home show. Time share opportunity in Miami FL. Included 3 days at a resort, 2 days in the Bahamas, and a cruise. We actually went since we were looking at some sort of vacation anyway. Just had to transport ourselves down there from VA.

The resort was pretty nice. Stayed 2 nights then went to a "presentation" of the time share. Spent about 2 hours dealing with an agent and finally said..."not interested, sign the voucher". He was very resistant but finally signed it and we went on the cruise the next day and spent 2 days in the Bahamas. Came back and spent one night back at the resort.

Not quite held hostage...but pretty close.

Overall it wasn't too bad. Heard from friends that it's gotten much worse now.
 
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Back in the late 70's me and my first wife went to quite a few of those presentation. Not having a lot of money it was a neat source for a free meal at a nice restaurant or whatever they were giving away .... even got a brand new black/white TV once. Now days I value my time more and won't get suckered in to listening to whatever sales pitch they have that doesn't interest me
 
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