Really? Nothing more important for D.O.N. to be doing?

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Old 01-21-16, 04:49 AM
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Really? Nothing more important for D.O.N. to be doing?

News article this morning about the SecNav looking into making Navy ratings and terms gender neutral:

"As part of the move to integrate women in all roles of the military, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus has announced plans to make titles and descriptions gender neutral. That puts the time-honored name "Midshipman" squarely on the radar."

One proposal is to turn "midshipman" into "midshipmate". I suppose "seaman" will become "seamate" or "seaperson". An Aviation Ordnanceman would become an Aviation Ordnancemate.

John McCain sums it up:

“The United States Navy and Marine Corps have too many real enemies to defeat and deter. The Secretary of the Navy should have better things to do than adding the English language to the list."

- Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and retired Navy captain

Thankfully, the SecNav is no longer in my chain of command.

What say you, GunGuy? [Can't remember what your rating was]
 
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Old 01-21-16, 05:08 AM
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I was on a ship with women in 1981. A little unique back then.
So I've been listening to these ideas for about 35 years. The Navy seems to get real bad ideas every so many years. They just don't know when to leave something alone.
 
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Old 01-21-16, 01:21 PM
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Hey, I about soiled myself when I first saw a Navy guy in the service uniform around here a few years back. Khaki shirt, black slacks and a black garrison cap? Say What?

I spent 24 yrs watching stuff come and go.

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OK we'll have a lot of new rate names - like torpedoperson, signalperson, personelperson, yeoperson - I could go on.

I served with some really fine women while I was in the Navy. I don't think a single one of them gave a hoot about gender neutral designators.

We have sailors apologizing to the Iranians and this guy is worried about midshipersons!

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Old 01-21-16, 03:07 PM
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Ditto on the "green" side of the DON.

Vic, figured you for a gender-neutral kind of guy.

Yeah, remember all the touchy-feely sessions after Tailhook? Best of my knowledge there weren't a whole lot of enlisted folk at the infamous Tailhook, but we all got to sit through the stupid lectures.
 
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Personnelperson and yeoperson, I like those!

How about yeomate. Sounds like a greeting down under - "Yo, mate!"
 
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I do think this is just kind of silly, though many rates could have "tech" instead of "man".

I worked with plenty of great females. Many were better than their male counterparts, maybe to prove something, I dunno. Heck I was even married to one for almost 18 years.
 
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I guess I am saying I agree.......

How about just having a:
Midshipman & Midshipwoman
Seaman & Seawoman
Aviation Ordnanceman & Aviation Ordnancewoman


I mean, if its that important, why not just call it what it is....

If its not that important, just leave it alone

 
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Here's the current work uniform that replaced the old dungarees. Sailors call them aquaflage. I'm not sure why cammies are required while haze gray and underway or at depth.

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Here's the current work uniform that replaced the old dungarees.
Dungarees?? Didn't you mean jeans, the American style pants now made by Orientals? Oops, I meant Asians. Things change.
 
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Old 01-22-16, 09:22 AM
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Nope, not jeans. The Navy working uniform for nearly 100 years was known as dungarees. A light blue chambray shirt and dungaree trousers. Dungaree is a different fabric than the denim used for jeans.

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Dungaree is a different fabric than the denim used for jeans
I didn't know that. I thought that it was the same thing & the name changed.
 
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I can't remember what I had for lunch today but I can remember weird stuff like that from 50 years ago.
 
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The other thing about dungarees was, at least in my time, they were treated with a fire retardant. Stiff as boards new and then they would fade badly after 6-7 washes. Comfortable as heck once the softened up though.

Don't get me started on the "utilities" they replaced dungarees with for a few years. Hot, no stretch, uncomfortable, didn't breathe. They went back to dungarees they got so many complaints. Actually, I think it may have been either or?
 
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Dungarees were stiff as a board because we didn't have dryers in those days. I think that the same thing would happen with today's jeans.
 
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Don't get me started on the "utilities" they replaced dungarees with for a few years.
At least they made them optional. The board stiff ones may be the ones issued by Navy stores. The ones with button flies and stove pipe legs. Everyone I knew wore the ones sold at the Navy Exchange. More bell bottom then stove pipe and had zippers. Also every one bought their chambray work shirts at the Navy Exchange because you could get short sleeves. Oddly the Navy encouraged short sleeves when working around machinery but only issued long sleeves.
 
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Old 01-23-16, 04:56 AM
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"Everyone I knew wore the ones sold at the Navy Exchange."

Seafarers was the brand I remember. Bell bottoms and they didn't wrinkle like the issued ones.

Crewperson, seaperson, person the rail, person overboard . . .
 
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I had long ago forgotten about dungarees and never realized before that it was different than denim but I do remember how stiff they were on the rare occasions that I got new ones as a kid. Modern day denim jeans are never that stiff.
 
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"...person the rail, person overboard . . "

This thread just gets funnier and funnier.

Pilots, person your planes!

Guess no ships will be referred to as Man o' War anymore?

Manning table?
 
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