Unwanted program supposedly downloaded on smart phone

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Old 03-13-18, 11:47 PM
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Unwanted program supposedly downloaded on smart phone

This is second hand from my brother but our relative received a call on his cell phone and it installed child porn, second time this has happened. He again brought it to the police (big city Duluth, MN) and they did whatever they do and said they couldn't delete the porn so he had to destroy the phone. Something about being burned to the hard drive?

This has to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard, destroy your phone because of a call? He owns a very busy business so I'd guess he gets zillions of calls a day, what to do?

No idea what kind of phone he uses, I've never had a problem like that on my rotary phone.

Anyone have any idea what the heck this could be, I can't imagine.
 

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Old 03-14-18, 12:21 AM
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Why would he have to destroy it? Maybe get a replacement SIM and restore to factory settings...but destroy it? Not buying it. Could have taken it to a factory store...maybe a cop familiar with the case meet him? Not accusing...but I think someone may be telling a fib to CTA.

Rotary phone?...brother what century and decade do you live in? Many systems won't even work with rotary unless it also DTMF dials simultaneously.
 
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I'm not kidding, he brought it back to his shop and did it in with a hammer. I did an edit, something about it burning on the hard drive on the phone and they couldn't delete it. I have no idea about such things.

I live in the woods and have a rotary phone, nothing to do with him.
 
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Old 03-14-18, 01:24 AM
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There's no hard drive on a phone...nothing that a factory reset won't get rid of along with a SIM and memory swap.

As I said...just not buying it. And he must have more money than I do...just to destroy a smartphone? I would have thought the police would send it to the FBI or some such.
 
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My brother doesn't know any more about these things than I do and going from memory his terms could be wrong. Seeing he went to the police twice makes me think something is up. Noticed yesterday he wasn't on facebook for 20 hours which is very unusual.

I'll make a call down to the big city tomorrow and see what I can find. Way too late for me to be up, damn afternoon naps.

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I buy or people give me their old phones which I use in foreign countries when traveling. When I get a phone the first thing I do is a factory reset. It "nukes" the phone and erases everything and returns the phone to a clean, like new state. It does work. After the reset there are no call histories, no pictures, no texts no added apps or software. Nothing but the factory stuff.

Another thing I do is have all the people that I "know" in my contacts. I assign a special ringtone to people in my contacts. I use a different, boring ring tone as my phone's default. When someone I know calls I get my special ring tone and answer. If it is the boring unknown ring tone I do not answer. If it's a telemarketer or wrong number they just hang up. If it is someone who truly wants to reach me they leave a voicemail and I call them back. That way I don't answer the phone when an unknown calls.
 
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My understanding is that the simms card only stores relative phone data specific to the phone & the service provider. The pictures, contacts & other data is on a HD.

Just two weeks ago, I switched from Verizon to AT&T. They had to switch the simms card so it would have AT&Ts info & the phone number etc. The pictures, data, etc was never moved or copied etc. All that is stored on the HD.

Criminals do factory resets as one way to erase data but, nothing is ever really completely wiped away. In a case like this, if the FBI wants that data, you can do pretty much whatever you want to do, that data will always be there.... and they can get it.
 
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Old 03-14-18, 06:52 AM
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Just did a GOOGLE search asking if smartphones have hard drives. Yes they do, however it's a flash drive as opposed to a mechanical drive. And they can be accessed. Don't know if bit can be permanently burned or wiped clean. Also they just started to introduce SSD into the newer smart phones. So as much as I hate to say it, I think the OP's brother has something to be concerned about.

Edit...If he has concerns then what PD does is safe and smart. Don't answer a call that you have no idea of who it is.
 
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Old 03-14-18, 08:18 AM
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Sounds like a re-hash of an old malware
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#abaacc639bdc

Big issue is that it is a "possession of" crime; not an "involved in" crime.
The material itself is illegal, like a sawed off shotgun, kilo of drugs,
or pictures of the inside of a US nuclear submarine.
Doesn't matter how it got there.

Howefver, a recent Delaware case involving images on a computer placed there without intent, but they were in a "caching" directory - in other words, the images were in links that you hadn't clicked yet, but were auto-loaded anyway. Conviction initially upheld, then reversed by Delaware Supreme Court.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story...rned/81230142/


So, if it's malware, then the image isn't just in the memory of the phone, but, likely also in the cache of data from the phone company, and perhaps in the "installed apps" directory as well.
 
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Would destroying the phone be considered evidence tampering? I think so.
 
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LOL... I designed cell phones... so much misinformation here. A phone call cannot put anything malicious on your phone. If this were possible it would be wide spread and quickly squashed...
 
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Would destroying the phone be considered evidence tampering? I think so.

Brother was just here and said he has a iPhone of some sort. Seeing this was the second time his first stop was at Duluth Police. They got all they could off the phone for evidence, brother thinks there was an arrest made. Then they told him he'd have to destroy the phone.

Second stop was at AT&T, they couldn't help. Next he went to a friend's who works on these things and he also said he couldn't remove whatever it is.


.If he has concerns then what PD does is safe and smart. Don't answer a call that you have no idea of who it is.

Yeah, but if someone needs their car fixed and the place won't answer the phone... ?


I just did a Google and a iPhone has what is - The black chip in the middle of the mainboard’s back side is called flash memory chip (hard disk as follows).

tutorial|How to Upgrade 16GB iPhone to 128GB through Replacing Hard Disk?


He wasn't in a very good mood so my brother didn't want to ask too much, I'm sure we're only getting parts of what went on.


Thanks all, I'm keeping my rotary.
 
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Old 03-14-18, 02:26 PM
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A phone call cannot put anything malicious on your phone. If this were possible it would be wide spread and quickly squashed...
So, more likely something posing as video call, or text message, that leads to loading something like YiSpecter

"The Lingdun worm hijacked victims’ [IM sessions] and sent malicious links to their ... contacts. According to those reports, if a user clicked the malicious links using.. iOS devices, an iOS Adware would be installed."
 
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Old 03-14-18, 02:28 PM
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So the police are aware that this guy is in possession of child pornography and they just let him walk away with it with instructions to destroy the phone? If the cops have made an arrest wouldn't they want the phone as evidence? Are you sure you are getting the entire story because it makes no sense?

Any chance this guy got caught with child porn on his phone and he's using the "them ain't my pants" defense that guys use when the cops find a pocket full of crack on them.
 
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Old 03-14-18, 03:01 PM
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Any chance this guy got caught with child porn on his phone and he's using the "them ain't my pants" defense that guys use when the cops find a pocket full of crack on them.

No, he's our nephew and a very nice guy. This is the second HE went TO the police

I don't know the particulars but I'm sure I'll find out in a day or two. Could be something like Hal posted, no idea.
 
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I'm not buying it, he's pulling your leg or you're pulling everyone else's. It's illegal to knowingly (or reasonably believe) you are possessing child pornography. Cops wouldn't allow you to take a device containing child pornography home with you to destroy because you would be knowingly possessing child porn, which is against the law. A phone call can't install anything on your phone. The only thing that could possibly happen is apps such as Facebook could be installed and the phone might be able to show the Facebook profile pic of the caller.
 
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I've changed the title of the thread, the original was drawing unwanted attention on the internet.
 
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