Good price for Trane XL15i?

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Old 05-17-08, 02:55 PM
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Good price for Trane XL15i?

I was quoted $5900 for the replacement of my 2.5 ton heat pump and air handler ari#1383563. any ideas on what this should go for?
 
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It seems kinda high...??? I would get another quote from another dealer and see what range they are in.

What else is being done?? Ductwork??
 
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New copper line set, base pad, support legs, disconnect, electrical whip.
All necessary sheet metal fittings to reconnect to existing duct system included.
All necessary electrical, condensate drain tie in included.
Remove old equipment from property and dispose of in proper manor according to state and local guidelines. & whole house duct cleaning.
 
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Ok, then you may be in line.. I would still get another quote to compair to others.
 
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Sounds good to me! Less than 2500 per ton. Duct cleaning about 500. It should take two guys about 5 hours to clean the duct.
 
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I was quoted $5900 for the replacement of my 2.5 ton heat pump and air handler ari#1383563. any ideas on what this should go for?
indy

here are the numbers for your ARI match.

1383563 Active Systems XL15I WEATHERTRON TRANE 4TWX5030A1 4TEE3F31B1 30000 12.30 14.50 30400 8.80 18200 1

I like the ARI match listed below better because of the improved performance numbers.

1382160 Active Systems XL15I WEATHERTRON TRANE 4TWX5030A1 4TEE3F39A1 30000 13.00 15.75 30000 9.00 18000

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Tiger made a good point to the model you should get to get the best output on heat pump mode, and SEER rating.

Do you know what model of t-stat you're getting?

Where are you out of? If you are in a high humidity area, I'd suggest the Honeywell IAQ tstat, or the Trane's XL900.
 
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The vision pro IAQ therm. was quoted to me. why would you recommend this?

Are there situations where one air handler (2.5 to to 3.0 ton) might be a better fit than the other (aside from the increased efficiency) or is it just an upgrade from the other one that I was already quoted?

does the other air handler typically come at a higher cost? if so how much would be expected.

I'm not sure if Indiana falls into the category or a higher humidity area. It sure seems humid in the summer time but I don't know if this region encourages equipment that can handle higher humidity.

Thanks for your help.
 

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Old 05-18-08, 05:30 PM
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The vision pro IAQ therm. was quoted to me. why would you recommend this?
The IAQ is able to control the blower speed in cooling to help remove high humidity, and return to normal speed after it gets below set point.

-It will only need 3 wire from t-stat to control.
-Better Aux heat lock out control.


Also, the IAQ will be able to do more staging your back up heat as needed.



Are there situations where one air handler (2.5 to to 3.0 ton) might be a better fit than the other (aside from the increased efficiency) or is it just an upgrade from the other one that I was already quoted?
You get more coil surface and with that, better efficiency.

does the other air handler typically come at a higher cost? if so how much would be expected.
I don't think should be that much more, how much? Not sure.
 
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Thanks

Thanks for all your help. I ended up going with the following.


1382160 Active Systems XL15I WEATHERTRON TRANE 4TWX5030A1 4TEE3F39A1 30000 13.00 15.75 30000 9.00 18000

$5500 for everything including duct cleaning. I think I may have been able to go a bit lower on the price but I didn't trust the installation company as much.

Now I just need to seal my crawlspace ductwork a bit better. there's always something.

thanks for the help
 
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great equipment, great price, very good performance numbers.

if you are sized correctly and have an install as good as the equipment, you should be very satisfied.

i do hope you decided on the HW VP IAQ...

and depending on where you live and the dealer's recommendation on size of heat strip, i would have it staged...

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Tiger,

What do you mean staged?



BTW, I did go with the IAQ.
 
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Tiger,

What do you mean staged?



BTW, I did go with the IAQ.
What he mean by that is have the heat come on in steps as needed. Another word, rather than the full amount of heat comes on at once, the IAQ will turn them on in 3 stages (Steps) as needed.
 
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what area of country do you live?

what size backup heat strip did your dealer quote and recommend?

for example, if he quoted a 10 KW, then I would recommend two(2) 5 KW units and have them staged based on demand. If less than 10 KW like a 7.5 KW, then probably just forget staging.

BTW, you are having a new refrigerant lineset installed?

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I'm in Indianapolis.

it is a 10 KW.
A new lineset was installed.
 
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a very good system you have..

if already installed, then not to worry about the heat strip.
just a nice little feature that can save you some operating dollars and really should cost you nothing extra.

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Who did you quote?

Hello,

I am here in Indianapolis and looking at similar equipment. Who did you quote with and finally choose for install?

I tried emailing, but it apparently does not forward to individual addresses.

Thanks in advance!

Loren M.
 
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Click on the posters name and then click on send a private message.

We don't want to get into recommending companies or not in the public area.
 
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List Price

List for this 4TWX5030A1 is 5,243.30. Just incase you wondered.
 
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List for this 4TWX5030A1 is 5,243.30. Just incase you wondered.
You need to find another distributor if that's your list price. The equipment itself shouldn't cost anywhere near that.
 
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Good Estimate?

I live in Alexandria VA, right outside DC. I was quoted $8639 to change my oil system to a heat pump. We already have the duct work, but needed all the equipment. This includes the heatpump (xl15i), handler, copper tubing, new wiring, thermostat, equipment pad, condensate drain, ceiling saver kit, permits, removal of old equipment, clean up, and a 10 year warranty for labor, equipment, and the compressor. Is this a fair quote?
 
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provide size, mdl of XL15i HP and air handler.

what is installing dealer's responsibility as far as dismantling, removal of oil furnace and oil tank? or are you leaving empty oil tank?

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Thank you for the coaching!

This is what I see on the quote: Handler--Trane, 2/4TFE, 3 ton; XL15i, 3 ton, up to 16.5 seer and 9 HSPF--there's no actual model number, only a brochure

The company suggested 3 ton instead of 2.5 because we will be ultimately be be remodeling our breezeway and garage which will add about 500 sq ft to our 1150 sq ft house.

Our furnace (Weil McLain) and oil tank (250 gallon) are both only about 3 years old so we thought we wold keep them and sell them. So, we'll ultimately be removing those. The company will take away the only compressor
 
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with information provided, I would say price is high.

a good price that includes 10 yr parts/labor warranty would be as low as $7K up to $8K. I would shop around.

and the best system configuration for a 3 ton XL15i would be the following:

1384031 Active Systems XL15I WEATHERTRON TRANE 4TWX5036A1 4TEE3F40B1 37400 12.70 15.00 36200 9.00 23400

the numbers in bold type are the condenser mdl number and air handler mdl number.

this configuration gives you the following:
37400 BTUs in cooling
36200 BTUs in heating @ 47 degree
15 SEER, 12.70 EER, 9 HSPF
all excellent performance and efficiency numbers

you do want the Honeywell VisionPro IAQ Stat that gives you all kinds of features that Trane stats don't offer including "dehumidify on demand". don't accept anything else.

same equipment is available frrom Am Std's Heritage 15 which should be less expensive. Am Std is Trane's sister company.

I would get several more quotes including Carrier's Performance 15 HP mdl with matching Infinity air handler.

Of course you want a thorough inspection of ductwork system especially to check size since you are going up 1/2 ton. this makes a difference.

and regardless what you decide you can not believe everything in those glossy brochure pages as they can be very misleading.

let me know if you have any questions.

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Thanks Tiger!

Is the equipment you suggested energy star? You mentioned Honeywell--is that different equipment or an independent information provider?

Do you know of any companies I might get an estimate from? Can I ask for the configuration stats at the estimate?

Thanks!
 
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Honeywell makes thermostats. I recommend the VisionPRO 8000 or IAQ thermostat (better -- can slow down blower to control humidify with that setup if configured properly). The 3-ton XL15i is not rated to be used with the 4TFE air handler, so they should NOT be matched up. Are you sure it's not the 2/4TEE (normal size)? Where is the air handler going to be physically placed? Sizing may be an issue. It's possible that the dealer left the wrong brochure or did not have the 4TEE brochure but wanted to leave you one that would describe the variable speed features.
 
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Old 07-09-08, 06:19 AM
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I recommend you check the dealer locator on the manufacturer's website.

ex www.trane.com
www.carrier.com

I would only use authorized dealer for HVAC I was purchasing.

also, another suggestion. there are many posters on another HVAC forum. I suggest you register and ask your question for recommended dealers for the Alexandria area.

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/hvac/

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