Can a contractor install non-UL approved?

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Old 10-24-07, 09:14 AM
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Can a contractor install non-UL approved?

Does anyone know if a contactor/builder/developer can install wall-mounted electric fireplaces that are not UL or CSA approved? Are these approvals a building code issue or just consumer oriented?

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Old 10-24-07, 10:27 PM
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They can, but depending on your inspector, it may be an issue.
 
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Old 10-25-07, 12:16 AM
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In Canada and likely in the US the electrical code requires all electrical devices to be approved by an inspection agency.

It is the electrical inspector who should be passing or rejecting the fireplace installation.
 
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Old 10-25-07, 04:51 AM
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UL and other inspection authorities tend to safeguard us, so I question why the contractor wants to install one without such an inspection. Could it be the cost? I'm not saying the unit is not safe, but why doesn't it bear the UL certificate?
 
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Old 10-25-07, 08:40 AM
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Are we talking about something homemade? Or maybe something acquired overseas?
 
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Old 10-25-07, 09:15 AM
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John Nelson is correct. The unit is manufactured overseas and I am considering importing some for sale to contractors. Obviously, I don't want to bring in something that isn't useful!
 
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Old 10-25-07, 05:31 PM
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The reason it may not have been approved is that it takes thousands of dollars and many months to perform all the testing required.
Non UL equipment is installed everyday.
A reputable manufacturer will not sell you a dangerous product intentionally.
For instance, we have been installing whole house generators that do not have a UL listing and they are manufactured by some of the biggest names in the business.
Most of them are working on it.
One manufacturer that I spoke to the other day spent high six figures and over a year's worth of time getting his product line approved.
That being said, I would be leery of a chinese product that produces heat and has electrical components that are not UL approved.
 
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Old 10-25-07, 05:47 PM
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That's very interesting. Thanks for the replies!
 
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Old 10-25-07, 06:00 PM
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I was unaware of the difference in approval requirements between the USA and Canada.

Here you are not permitted to sell any electrical device that connects directly or by a cord set that is not approved by a recognized inspection agency.
Also, if any unapproved device is found in an inspection the inspection will fail.
 
 

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