Replace 4 wire ceiling fan, with 5 wire fan + remote + 2 wall sliders?

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Old 12-21-09, 06:40 PM
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Question Replace 4 wire ceiling fan, with 5 wire fan + remote + 2 wall sliders?

Hi all,

Current configuration:

Wall switch that has 2 sliders, one for the fan (has multiple speed capability) and the other for the light (has dimming capability). Our wall slider switch looks like this one (but not this make/model), just for FYI: http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fa...atalogId=10053

Ceiling fan (CF) with light kit.
Wires from ceiling box (CB): 1 white, 1 black, 1 red and 1 ground.
Wires from current ceiling fan: 1 white, 1 black, 1 blue and 1 ground.

The whites are connected, the blacks are connected, the grounds are connected and the red wire (ceiling) connects to the blue wire (CF)


What we purchased is this:

Ceiling fan kit with 2 lights (one "upper" and one "lower"), found here: Hampton Bay 60 In. Brookedale II Ceiling Fan in Brushed Nickel Finish - AL101-BN at The Home Depot

The kit comes with a remote.

The remote sensor (RS) is supposed to go in between the wires from the ceiling box, and the wires from the motor on the CF.

The remote sensor has on one side: 1 black and 1 white wires that are supposed to connect to the respective ceiling box wires.
The other side of the remote sensor has: 1 black, 1 white, 1 blue, 1 orange and 1 ground that is supposed to connect to the respective wires from the motor (except the ground, which presumably should connect to the ground from the ceiling box.).

I've tried to wire it, like this:

CB white to RS white side 1, RS white side 2 to CF white.
CB black to RS black side 1, RS black side 2 to CF black.
CB red straight to RS blue side 2 and CF blue (together).
CB ground to CF ground.
RS orange to CF orange.

However, a few things don't work.

The top light doesn't come on at all with either the wall light slider switch nor the remote.

The bottom light only comes on with the wall light slider, but not the remote.

The fan only comes on with the remote, but not the fan slider switch.

Here is a link to my crude drawing of what I'm trying to install: Doc1

Ultimately, I'd like the wall fan slider to work on the fan, and the wall light slider to work with both upper and lower lights (or at the very least, one of the light's). And, of course, would like the remote control to work as expected.

Perhaps I need to combine the black and the red from the CB, and wire them with the black on side 1 of the RS?

How should this be wired?

Thanks much.

P.S. After thinking about this, I believe the limitation here is the remote sensor, side 1 because it only has 1 "hot" (black wire) and 1 neutral. If it had 2 hots, I could hook the black to black and the red to the other hot on side one of the remote sensor.

Anybody see a legal and safe way around this limitation?


P.P.S. Now, I'm wondering if I can simply wire the two hot wires from the ceiling box (the black and the red) together...and wire them (together) to the single black wire on side one of the remote sensor? Would that scenario create a problem if, say...only one of the wall sliders was on and the other was off? If that's possible, I'm thinking this would allow both wall sliders to go through the remote control (via the single black wire).
 

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Old 12-21-09, 08:06 PM
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Because you have 2 switch legs (CB black and red), and are adding the remote in the middle which only has one input, it is not going to work exactly the way you want.

First off, if memory serves correctly you may also have to bypass the remote neutral. Either adding a jumper around the remote or, just connecting all the whites together.

You could install a single switch and run everything off the remote. How will I see you ask? Most of the remotes I have installed, when you turn on the switch, the light will com on to the last state they were left when the switch was turned off.

You have to choose what you want to control with the remote and what with the wall switch. Whatever you choose, you will just bypass the remote and directly wire that to the CB wires. You do not connect the wires from the remote to the fan if you are bypassing the remote. IE: if you want the fan controlled by the wall switch you just will cap off the black output wire of the remote.

Your last option is just skip the remote all together and wire the up and down lights together.

Your P.P.S. will not do much for you. You might as well just use a single switch and wire like I mentioned.

If you tell me how you want it to work I can tell how to wire it. (except for what you mentioned earlier about both switches and the remote working normal, that is not going to work. You have 3 devices and only 2 switch legs)
 
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Thanks for the reply Tolyn,

Right now, I've got it wired like this:

CB black to RS black. RS black to CF black. (allows remote to control the fan).

CB white to RS white. RS white to CF white.

CB Red straigt to CF blue and orange (allows both light kits to run off the wall slider for the light, but bypases the RS for the lights).


This is OK...meaning, it works OK.

[Edit: removed question about wiring the two hot ceiling wires together to go into the black on the RS side 1. Probably not a good idea.].

Update: Just got off the phone with the person in lighting at the box store where we bougth the CF. He advised that I simply cap off the Red ceiling box wire (this is the hot for the lights), and just run the CB black into the RS black side one. Then, on the RS side two, run the black into all three CF wires: black (for the fan) blue (for the lower lights) and orange (for the upper lights).
He said we would then need to switch out our 2 slider control for a single control on the wall.

I'm not too sure that's the answer either (more work and more purchase required).

At this point, I'm thinking the current way I have it wired right now (highlighted in blue, above, here) is functional for us, and is OK from an electricians perspective (meaning safe and within code). Does this sound OK?
 

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Old 12-22-09, 07:34 AM
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Yes, that is just fine code and safety wise. Just cap off the orange and blue wires coming off the RS.
 
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Originally Posted by Tolyn Ironhand View Post
Yes, that is just fine code and safety wise. Just cap off the orange and blue wires coming off the RS.
Excellent. Thanks a bunch for your help! Much appreciated!! Beer 4U2
 
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Updated plan - Question

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