Ceiling Fan Remote & Wall Switch

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Old 05-11-10, 07:35 AM
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Ceiling Fan Remote & Wall Switch

I would like to turn on the light on the fan from a wall switch and be able to dim and turn it off with the remote as well as using the remote for the fan. Another option would be to operate the light from the wall switch and the fan from the remote. Thanks for your help.
 
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Originally Posted by johnam View Post
I would like to turn on the light on the fan from a wall switch and be able to dim and turn it off with the remote as well as using the remote for the fan. Another option would be to operate the light from the wall switch and the fan from the remote. Thanks for your help.
Your best option would be to use the wall switch as an override. Unfortunatly unless theres constant power at the fan, when you turn the wall switch off, nothing will work. If you have constant power at the fan, then it would be possible to have the wall switch only control the light, and use the remote to only control the fan. Remotes are pretty easy to wire. They have a neutral connection, constant power connection, and 2 switched outputs. let us know when you current wiring looks like and ill help you wire it exactally how you want it.
 
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The wall switch acts as a master. When on, the fan/light will be in the same mode as when the switch was shut off. To operate the light from the switch and the fan from the remote, you would need to pull a new, always on circuit for the fan.
I have two paddle fans wired in the "normal" configuration - When the wall switch is on, the fan and light are controlled by the remote. If the light is on and the fan is off, the wall switch will turn the light on and off. Same scenario goes for the fan or both if both were on when you turned the wall switch off.
 
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The wall switch acts as a master. When on, the fan/light will be in the same mode as when the switch was shut off. To operate the light from the switch and the fan from the remote, you would need to pull a new, always on circuit for the fan.
I have two paddle fans wired in the "normal" configuration - When the wall switch is on, the fan and light are controlled by the remote. If the light is on and the fan is off, the wall switch will turn the light on and off. Same scenario goes for the fan or both if both were on when you turned the wall switch off.
He might not need to pull anything new, this is why i asked him for his current wiring layout. If theres a 14/3 going to the fan then he has all the wiring in place, or if the feed starts at the fan, he has all the wiring he needs currently in place.
 
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I do have 3 wire at the wall switch. A black hot, red switch leg and a white neutral. The receiver has the black & white for the AC supply. Coming out of the receiver is a black & white to supply the fan and a blue to supply the light. How should I wire it?
 
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Originally Posted by johnam View Post
I do have 3 wire at the wall switch. A black hot, red switch leg and a white neutral. The receiver has the black & white for the AC supply. Coming out of the receiver is a black & white to supply the fan and a blue to supply the light. How should I wire it?
Is there also a 2 wire at the switch box? whats at the fan box? how do you want it to work. Do you want the wall switch to turn everything off, do you want the wall switch to turn the light off and not the fan, do you want the switch to turn the fan off and leave the light on?
 
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Old 05-11-10, 07:21 PM
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Yes, there are also 2 wires in the switch box. The fan box has the 3 wires from the switch box and 2 wires that feed something else. I would like the wall switch to turn the light off and not the fan and be able to use the remote to turn the light on, off and dim and the fan (low, med, high, off).
 
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Yes, there are also 2 wires in the switch box. The fan box has the 3 wires from the switch box and 2 wires that feed something else. I would like the wall switch to turn the light off and not the fan and be able to use the remote to turn the light on, off and dim and the fan (low, med, high, off).
unfortunatly without knowing how the current wiring is connected, and where the HOT wires are, i cant help. anyway you can draw a simple diagram showing the current connections..
 
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Old 05-12-10, 06:27 AM
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Here is a page from doityourself.com that shows various ways to connect switches. How to Install a Light Switch | DoItYourself.com My setup is: INSTALLING INLINE SWITCH FOR CONTROL OF ONE LIGHT. The second light shown, which is always hot, in my case might be feeding an outlet but should have nothing to do with what you are trying to solve for me. I hope this helps. Thanks for your time.
 
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Originally Posted by johnam View Post
Here is a page from doityourself.com that shows various ways to connect switches. How to Install a Light Switch | DoItYourself.com My setup is: INSTALLING INLINE SWITCH FOR CONTROL OF ONE LIGHT. The second light shown, which is always hot, in my case might be feeding an outlet but should have nothing to do with what you are trying to solve for me. I hope this helps. Thanks for your time.
Thanks for the link, but i dont need a how to guide. All i need to know is what your current wiring setup is. You have multiple cables at the switch box and fan box locations. I need to know if theres constant power at the switch box and constant power at the fan box. If there is you might be able to make this work. Becuase you have a 3 wire cable going from the switch to the fan im assuming theres power at the switch, im hoping theres also power at the fan.
 
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Old 05-12-10, 10:59 AM
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I thought the diagram would show you what I have. Yes, I do have constant power at the switch and the ceiling boxes (black wire) also a neutral (white) and a switch leg (red) at both boxes.
 
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I thought the diagram would show you what I have. Yes, I do have constant power at the switch and the ceiling boxes (black wire) also a neutral (white) and a switch leg (red) at both boxes.
sorry one more question. the constant power at either box is not coming through the 3 wire is it?
ther reason that diagram dosent help much is becuase your remote control box gets mounted at the fan not at the switch. It becomes your first means of switching for everything. Constant power and neutral will feed the remote box, black output and neutral will go to the fan instelf. the blue will have to send power down to the wall switch on any of those wires in the 14/3 cable, and then back up on a different wire to connect to the light in the fan. this is why its important to know if the 14/3 is just there for switching or if its sending power to or from the fan box.
 
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Old 05-12-10, 02:22 PM
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To expand a bit on Joe's Question does your wiring look like this? Are there any other cables in either box?

<img src="https://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk116/ray2047/051210.jpg" width="800" height="600"/>
 
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The constant power comes from a two wire cable in the ceiling box which then feeds the 3 wire cable to the switch box. I checked it out since I thought it was like Rays diagram but was surprised to find the power was at the ceiling box.
 
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Originally Posted by johnam View Post
The constant power comes from a two wire cable in the ceiling box which then feeds the 3 wire cable to the switch box. I checked it out since I thought it was like Rays diagram but was surprised to find the power was at the ceiling box.
So what you have is:

<img src="https://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk116/ray2047/051210-1.jpg" width="800" height="600"/>
 
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Old 05-12-10, 03:37 PM
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That's exactly what I have.
 
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Old 05-12-10, 05:28 PM
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This has been a long thread but we are on the home stretch now. Tell us how you want to wire it one more time.

1 You can wire it with no wall switch and the remote controlling both the fan and light.

2 You can wire it with the light on a wall switch or dimmer switch and the fan on the remote.

3 You can wire it with a fan speed control or switch for the fan at the wall and only the light on the remote.

4 You can wire it with no remote and a switch or dimmer for the light and a switch or speed control for the fan at the wall.

5 You can wire it with a remote for fan and light and the wall switch as a master switch.
 
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I think i got it figured out for you. here ya go..



of course i dont know how to insert a pic lol
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thanks ray. couldnt figure out how to get it to post with a pic Beer 4U2
 
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Old 05-13-10, 05:04 AM
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Ray & Joe, I want to know how you made and posted the diagram.........that's great. I didn't get a chance to answer Ray how I wanted to wire it. I guess it's choice #5. I want to be able to enter the room and turn on the light from the wall switch and then control the light and fan from the remote. Is the blue wire A, the light? Let me thank you both for all the time you took in finding a solution for me.
 
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Originally Posted by johnam View Post
Yes, there are also 2 wires in the switch box. The fan box has the 3 wires from the switch box and 2 wires that feed something else. I would like the wall switch to turn the light off and not the fan and be able to use the remote to turn the light on, off and dim and the fan (low, med, high, off).
I based the answer i gave you off of this post. its not based on rays # 5 becuase that would make the wall switch a master on/off switch making the remote inoperable if the wall switch is off.
As to how the drawing was made. I actually just stole rays drawing im pretty sure he made it in paint. I just saved it and added to it in paint on my computer, then reuploaded it. Good luck with everything.
 
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Yes, I used my OS's equivalent of MS Paint, Kcolor Paint.
I want to be able to enter the room and turn on the light from the wall switch and then control the light and fan from the remote.
That would be option 2. If you chose that the light could not be controlled by the remote. Is that what you want?
 
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Old 05-13-10, 10:29 AM
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As I said in last post, I want to be able to enter the room and turn on the light from the wall switch and then be able to control the light and fan from the remote. If this is possible, when I turn the light off with the remote, will I be able to turn it on from the switch? It almost sound like a 3 way switch scenario which is impossible with the remote.
 
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Old 05-13-10, 10:48 AM
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The remote really isn't designed to work as a 3-way.
 
 

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