Can I use BX cable under vinyl siding + NYC code?

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Old 10-15-10, 07:50 PM
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Question Can I use BX cable under vinyl siding + NYC code?

Can I use BX cable under vinyl siding for lights and within NYC code?
I had conduitit outside the siding but don;t like the look. Romex is not code in NY under vinyl siding. Any more advise would be great. thanks
 
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Old 10-15-10, 09:32 PM
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Welcome to the forums! You can't use any cabling under vinyl siding. Not sure if NYC code allows it or not. MC is not weather proof, and must be for external use.
 
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Question what about ROMEX SIMPULL (YELLOW) UNDER VINYL SIDING

Regarding lighting is romex simpull (yellow) (? Exterior ) allowed directly under vinyl siding. Also is it in code in staten island, ny? I do not know anything about electriciy but my contractors siding guy took of the conduitit that i was told they would cover with the vinyl siding and the siding guy added in romex simpull (yellow covered plastic or something with coper wires inside) the contractor said it is within code and is playing with me first place he should have gotten a electrician to do this but he called in a guy that works for a licensed electrician
after i complained that maybe it is not within code and he called the contractor back and said he talked to the licensed guy and someone else in coding dept and it is fine.
I called the code electric dept for nyc and was told a few times by different people it is not within code under vinyl siding. I can't prove it. Any sugestions as what i can do. Thanks i am quessing if they didn't ask the right question they would get a positive answer like where they were using the romes and got a positive answer and i told it as it is they made a space in the insulation and stuck the romex in this area and nothing covering it so it is directly under the vinyl siding. Any help would be great thanks and need info as soon as possible siding going up over it. I did take a piece of the romex though. Thanks
 
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Old 10-25-10, 08:48 AM
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Regardless of the color, type NM cable is NOT for use on the exterior, even if installed in a conduit. The Code clearly prohibits this and the installing electrician should have known this. The Code Article is 334.12(B)(4) Uses Not Permitted, in wet or damp locations.

The Code defintion of Location, Wet is Installations underground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather.
 
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I might add that whoever did that work should have pulled a permit.
If there is any discussion with the siding guy about what is right this should settle it!
 
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Unhappy NMC Cable. Can this cable be used directly under vinyl siding for exter lights?

Is NMC CABLE WITHIN CODE IN NYC IN A 2 FAMILY HOUSE DIRECTLY UNDER VINYL SIDING FOR EXTERIOR LIGHTING?

My contractor had the siding guy remove the conduitit without talking to me and put in Romex simpull and then put vinyl siding over it. I asked if is within code in NYC and he said yes. First place it was a siding guy that did it as per the contractor. I discussed with contractor before job that he used licensed electricians and plumbers. Well I am a woman and took a piece of the wire and spent 2 days on the computer and another day trying to reach the code dept and inspectors for info they said in NY it is not within code in 2 family house directly under siding. My contractor said they are lieing to me. aND i SHOULD PROOVE IT. tHE CODE DEPT WOULD NOT GIVE ME ANYTHING. I fought him and He finally said It is within code to use type NMC directly under vinyl siding and I should check it out. He gave me a paper and said that is all he will do. YES HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUT PERMITS AND LICENSES WHERE NEEDED. It is up to me again. I even corrected him on ordering the wrong size windows. I SHOULD OF BEEN MY OWN CONTRACTOR.
PLEASE HELP AGAIN IF POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THAT HAS ANSWERED.
SORRY FOR THE ------SO FRUSTRAIDED WITH THIS.
 
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Old 11-01-10, 03:12 PM
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Too bad this is happening.

You don't have to prove anything..........your contractor has to produce a copy of the electrical permit.
You said he was suppose to take out permits but I have the feeling this wasn't in writing.

I guess an important question at this point is how much has been paid on this job?
There is no doubt you will need some legal intervention and if there is any money owing you will have some leverage.
You would have to weigh the cost of hiring a lawyer against paying someone else to do it right.
 
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I think this might be the time to call the building code officials and report this work. They should have some recourse for this shoddy work.
 
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Hopefully you haven't paid this guy yet, or at least not in full. I wouldn't pay him until you have something from the Building Officials that all inspections have been made and are satisfactory. It may be late now, but you should also check the BBB in your area and possibly file a complaint.
 
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Question I am in somewhat better position but need advise NMC cable anyway thanks,

I need to pay him more after the siding and brick work. Paid him some but still OK regarding financal at this point. I never let a contractor go and am somewhat afraid. I have a contract with him. He wrote it out and I added to it and he signed this also. He never requested a copy of the contract. Before signing the contract I called in NY 311 and asked about a contravt to protect me. Was given a NYGOV sight and also wanted to add this to the contract. He wouldn't sign this part just said yes all routine. He didn't say he will not follow this. I told him I wanted all in this. He never disagreed.

I will be asking him to now have a liscensed electrician do this electric job within NYC code and I want his full name and lisc. NO and for him to sign off on this as to this is within NYC code and how it was done.
My contractor said he doesn;t need a electerician in the first place said the romex simple is within code in nyc and told me the coding dept and inspectors all lied to me regarding rimex simple for outdoor lighting directly under siding. Now he said amd showed me a paper regarding MNC and said it is within nyc code and he did enough and I should check it out.
This time the code dept would not takl to me saying you are the homeowner tell your contractor or his electrician to call and my contractor will not and not sure who he wants to do this job now maybe a electrician that works for a licensed electerician. who also told me he checked into the romex simpull and it is within code.
My contract says electrician and plumber to do this find of work.
I believed he broke the contract when he had the siding guy do it.
He didn't finish anything at this point.
not sure he should finish parts of what he has unfinished and then I call in my electrician to do the job and deduct the cost from him or how to handle this
not one part of the job is complete and its been months. working very slow. Not really on the job.
does anyone know about this NMC cable and NYC code for exterior lighting directly under vinyl siding and is it just as thick as conduitit will it fit under siding and does siding have to come off?
Any advise anywhere would be great.
I am taking the bathroom off the table but he only wants to give me 4000.00 off and it should be 8000.00 with total venting 2 bathrooms and getting to the electric panel on another floor. I think he suppects this is is at work again.
noyt sure how to handle him. thanks
 
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"Southwireĺs Romex« SIMpull« Type NM-B (non-metallic sheathed cable) may be used for both exposed and concealed work in normally dry locations at temperatures not to exceed 90░C (with ampacity limited to that for 60░C conductors) as specified in the National Electrical Code«1".

So per the NEC you can't use it in damp or wet locations, and you can't use in an un-protected manner were someone is likely to nail through it - as for example when installing siding or later attaching something through the siding.
 
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Old 11-08-10, 08:30 AM
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This link says it all................Yes, you need a permit and a licensed electrician to do electrical work.

How much was the total renovation contract?
You might be talking about enough money to make an initial visit to a lawyer worthwhile.
Because you have a contract you could be out of a lot of money if this doesn't go well.
 
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Here is the key to solving most of your problems. Getting the contractor to complete his obligations under the contract is another issue.

If electrical work is performed without a permit,
the owner of the building, as well as the individual
who performed the illegal work, may be subject to
violations, summonses, court appearances and fines.
Furthermore, if your electrical contractor is unlicensed,
he or she will be cited for working without a license.
To resolve electrical violations, you must hire a
licensed electrician to file an application and correct
the violation.
To report work that is performed without a permit,
call 311, or log on to DOB╠s website at
NYC.gov/buildings to register a complaint online.
You can also write to BEC╠s Chief of Enforcement.
 
 

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