Ceiling Fan Wiring Help

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Old 06-24-11, 11:10 AM
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Ceiling Fan Wiring Help

My wife picked up a ceiling fan from a friend. However the only information that I can get off the fan is that it has a model # ELD52BB. A web search finds nothing on this model. This ceiling fan is rated at 120 volts, 60HZ & 3.05amps. It has four wires white,black,blue & green.The wall switch which is what came with the house is rated 120V & 60HZ it has two knobs one for the fan rated 3 amp max & one for the light and is rated 300 Watt Max. The ceiling box has two sets of wiring one set that is wrapped with a white covering has a white,black & copper. The second set that is wrapped with a black covering has a white,black,red & copper. Could someone please help me figure out how I'm suppose to connect all of the wires.
 
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Old 06-24-11, 11:40 AM
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Check if you have 120v across the black and white of the 2-wire (+ground) cable at the ceiling box. Tell us if you have only a 3-wire (+ground) cable in the switch box and how it is hooked up.
 
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It does not say anything on the wires. The wires in the wall which is covered with the black covering has white to white,black to black ,red to red + ground.
 
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Old 06-24-11, 03:29 PM
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What Ray is asking is for you to get a multimeter and check the voltage across certain wires to see which ones are hot. He will guide you through the switch loop thingy once he has that information.
 
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Well I guess I need a electrician, I have one my stepson left but I do not no how to use it.
 
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Old 06-24-11, 05:28 PM
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Can you post a picrure of the meter and of the switch pulled out so we can see the wires. I'm pretty sure how it is wired but I want to be sure before giving you an answer. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...your-post.html
 
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Here some pictures of what I'm working with. Never done this hope it works. http://profile.imageshack.us/user/kirkww/
 
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Old 06-25-11, 06:58 PM
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In your picture at the ceiling there should be a second black wire. Im not seeing it.
 
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Old 06-25-11, 07:47 PM
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The 2 blacks look splice together Ray. We really need to find out if this is a switch loop or the power comes into the switch. I suspect the switch needs a neutral.

To the OP, can you post a pic of the switch box wiring?
 
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Old 06-26-11, 07:41 AM
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I was thinking switvg h loop because the O/P wrote:
The ceiling box has two sets of wiring one set that is wrapped with a white covering has a white,black & copper. The second set that is wrapped with a black covering has a white,black,red & copper.
But then he posted this picture.



And it looks like three whites tied together. KirkWW, am I looking at the picture correctly? Is one of those wires black? Is that how it was wired when you started.
 
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Very sorry Equinox. I hit the wrong button and screwed up your post replying to it. You may repost if you wish.
 

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Equinox wrote:
From what I can see the supply is coming into the fan box, using 14/2 romex
I agree and that is what the O/P said bit I'm not seeing the black.
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and then in addition to the switch loop, the supply circuit is continued from the switch box to perhaps a receptacle and that is why 14/3 is used going to the switch and why the neural is also tied into that.
My first guess was the red is the switched hot wire for the fan. In this case though the white of of the 3-conductor would carry power to the switch, the black back to the fan and red back to the light. It may be a wireless switch which only returns a signal along one wire. That is what don't know. Fans like that are after my time. We really need to see all the wiring in the switch box to be sure.

KirkWW, if this is a single wire controller it probably won't work with your fan without adding a receiver to the fan.

Please tell us all the cables at the switch box and how they are wired.
 

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I am thinking that there is only one switched wire, and that is the red. In my thinking the current wiring would not support separate switching for a fan and light. I installed a remote controlled fan last year where that was all that was required also. The remote took care of the switching between the two, and the wall switch simply cut the power on and off. If you look closely at the wire nut you can see two black wires twisted together with one coming from the 14/2 hence my thinking that the 14/3 is feeding the switch box loop as well as further supplying other loads on the circuit. Seeing a picture of the switch box will complete the picture as you said ray2047.
 
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Sorry guys I don't remember how the wires were connected. I twisted all the common wires together myself.

Here is a picture of the switch.

 

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Kirk, is the one wire on the switch white? Do you see a part number on the switch?
 
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pcboss,

Yes only one white wire. There is no part number, only a model DMC-3 made by Hybrinetics Inc.
 
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We need to know all the color wires coming from the switch and any writing where the wires enter the switch case.

I could tell you how to wire it with a different switch but if the one you have has 3 wires and one is white I'm not sure.
 

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Ray,
The colors on the switch are red,black & white. There is no writing on the switch case.
 
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Old 06-26-11, 07:36 PM
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Ray,
The colors on the switch are red,black & white. There is no writing on the switch case.
The white wire on the switch is the problem. It means the switch was probably a transmitter to a receiver on the old fan. If the old fan had a separate box in the canopy that may be the receiver if it didn't then it was integrated into the fan and you will need a new switch. You can either use a simple simplex or duplex toggle switch to turn off and on the fan and light or just the light from the wall or you can use a universal remote to give you the same functions as the old switch.
 
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Ray,

I'm a little confused. The old fan ran from the switch that was in the wall it did not have a remote.
 
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Ray,

I'm a little confused. The old fan ran from the switch that was in the wall it did not have a remote.
The switch in the wall is a type of remote. If it was really just a switch it wouldn't have needed a neutral. The white wire from the switch indicates a neutral.The wires on it would have probably been red, black, and blue.

I am not 100% sure so you can wait for another opinion.
 
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