Harbor Breeze Ceiling Fan Wiring Questions

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Old 01-28-14, 08:15 AM
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Harbor Breeze Ceiling Fan Wiring Questions

I have installed a few ceiling fans in the past with no issue, but the latest one the instructions are a little bit vague. Here are the questions I have:
  1. It Indicates in the manual that the fan has a ground wire, and it should be connected to the house bare ground. Well the only ground wires are the green one on the fan shaft and on the ceiling mounting bracket. A bare ground exists as well, but not one from the "fan" so unsure if I am missing a wire?
  2. The fan comes with a remote and two white wires, and the manual doesn't denote between the two. I hooked the one up that says AC to the house white power wire, and the one that says COM to the fan wire, both are coming from the remote.

Below are pictures of how I wired it, I haven't tested yet because I had to leave for work, anyone see anything hooked up incorrectly? Once I verify everything is working properly I am going to clip the fan cables so they will all fit, and does everyone put electrical tape on the wire connections before closing everything up? Thanks for any suggestions.

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Old 01-28-14, 11:07 AM
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Here are the questions I have:
  1. It Indicates in the manual that the fan has a ground wire, and it should be connected to the house bare ground. Well the only ground wires are the green one on the fan shaft and on the ceiling mounting bracket. A bare ground exists as well, but not one from the "fan" so unsure if I am missing a wire?
  2. The fan comes with a remote and two white wires, and the manual doesn't denote between the two. I hooked the one up that says AC to the house white power wire, and the one that says COM to the fan wire, both are coming from the remote.
The two green wires are the ground wires coming from the fan. They need to be spliced to the bare ground wire in your fan-rated ceiling box. That metal box also needs to be bonded to ground.

Note: I can't really see it in the picture, so I'm assuming a fan-rated metal ceiling box. If that isn't what's there, it needs to be replaced or the fan needs to be mounted directly to framing in the ceiling.

It sounds like you connected the two white wires properly. Usually, the wires for connecting to the house wiring are in a separate group from those for connecting to the fan.
 
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Is this box fan rated? I have attached a picture and could not find a sticker that said fan rated on it.

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Also I have taken a photos of all of the wiring, so I can make sure I have all of this right.

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So when I re-hang from what I have read this is the scheme:

Mount Green/Fan Green/Bare Ground from Ceiling
Remote Blue/Fan Blue
Remote Black/Fan Black
Remote Red/Ceiling Black
Remote AC White/Ceiling White
Remote White #2/Fan White
Ceiling Red (Not used)

Thanks for the assistance, I just need to make sure the box is fan rated as it wasn't apparent and the box isn't deep at all. Thanks.
 
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Old 01-29-14, 02:47 AM
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Is this box fan rated?
No. It has ears not threaded posts and probably uses 8-32 machine screws and not 10-24 machine screw. Also not stamped fan rated.

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Thanks for the response. Okay, so simple question here then can I swap out the box with one that is fan rated without going into the attic? I have vaulted ceilings and attic access over that spot is cumbersome, so I am hoping it would be something I could replace without doing that but I suspect someone is going to tell me it's more involved than that.

As for the tape, I have no idea. It was on the wires when I took the cap off not sure why it's there.
 
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Old 01-29-14, 10:18 AM
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I'd remove the tape to see if the insulation was compromised.
I am hoping it would be something I could replace without doing that but I suspect someone is going to tell me it's more involved than that
It depends on what you find when you remove the box. If it is screwed to a firmly secured t a 2x4 or better then you would just fasten the new box with screws. That looks like what you have but if you don't you would use an old work fan box and hanger that installs from below.

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If that is a shallow (pancake box) and the 2x is centered:

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If that is a shallow (pancake box) and the 2x is centered:
It looks like it is. I see the heads of two screws going up and what looks like wood behind another 1/4" hole.
 
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So when I re-hang from what I have read this is the scheme:

Mount Green/Fan Green/Bare Ground from Ceiling
Remote Blue/Fan Blue
Remote Black/Fan Black
Remote Red/Ceiling Black
Remote AC White/Ceiling White
Remote White #2/Fan White
Ceiling Red (Not used)
Is that what the instructions say?
 
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I have uploaded a picture of the instructions for the wiring, they do not discern between the white wires, there are two of them on the remote. Also they do not mention the red wire from the ceiling at all, I believe that's a second power lead for a light kit and can be substituted for the black in certain configurations. Since the manual was a big vague I had to make a few inferences about the above scheme, everything else was clearly defined.

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Good News and Bad News

First of all thanks for the feedback and help so far, I enjoy doing this type of stuff and want to do more projects on my own. The good news is I removed the non-fan rated box from the ceiling and there is a 2x4 going across the middle of the hole see below:

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I purchased a fan rated box, I believe this is a shallow pancake style that seems like it should work, for my needs. See the pictures below:

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Well now for the bad news. After a questions from ray2047 about the tape I investigated more and this is what I found below. It appears the contractors who built my house totally severed the red ceiling wire, and damaged the sheathing on the white and black ceiling wires:

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There seems to be plenty of slack in the ceiling to cut and re-strip the ends, so I am assuming that's what needs to happen to resolve that issue. Is there anything I am missing? It appears my punch list would be the following:
  1. Cut damaged wiring and re-strip new ends with slack
  2. Install new fan rated ceiling box to 2x4 in ceiling
  3. Install longer rod on fan due to vaulted ceiling
  4. Wire Fan and Remote
  5. Have a beer and relax

Am I missing anything from what you can tell?
 
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Old 01-29-14, 04:41 PM
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Looking good. Is there a cable clamp in the sack on the right?
 
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Old 01-29-14, 04:55 PM
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Is there a cable clamp in the sack on the right?
Isn't that a cable clamp on the cable now?
 
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Old 01-29-14, 06:04 PM
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Dang missed that. Better call it a night.
 
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