Hi All, I recently dared to go to IKEA and bought a ceiling light, but I have become quite frustrated with the fitting and the inability to make it fit flush to the plaster. The part in question looks like this: [url]http://i.imgur.com/G28c8EG.jpg[/url] As you can see there is no bracket or anything to fix to the ceiling, instead it seems to just rely on a hook on the white part you can see, which doesn't hold the cup securely when it also has to hold a length of cable inside it. In my imagination I am picturing trying to use something like this: [url]http://i.imgur.com/cC0mgSK.png[/url] and sticking it to the ceiling and then sticking a hook to the inside of the cup and then simply rotating it into the hole so it holds there. I have been searching websites for hours with countless combinations of hook, clip, fastener, fitting, fixture etc and nothing has yet to come up even remotely close to what I am looking for. Perhaps I am doing this all totally wrong and there is a very simple explanation I have overlooked by thinking too much. If anyone has a good idea or suggestion I would be very, very happy to hear from you. Many thanks, T

Greetings! I am a complete newbie to the wonderful world of electricity. I bought a chandelier a while ago and finally decided, how hard can it be to switch out the existing one? I read the directions, and it appeared fairly straightforward. The chandelier has two hot (?) wires and one bare copper grounding wire. I took the old chandelier out and stupidly did not check the set up very carefully. It corresponded to what I expected: I have three wires coming out of my ceiling, two of which appear to be "hot" and one neutral (or ground? Not sure). My old chandelier has the same wiring as my new one: two insulated wires and one grounding wire. I should note that this is an old building, so there are no markings of any kind indicating which wire is which. They are all insulated with crumbling black material. Similarly, the chandeliers don't seem to have "hot" versus "neutral" wires. I'm sure you've seen these types of wires, they are attached in two transparent tubes, and you cut the tubes apart when you want to attach the wires. I should also note that I've tried to install both chandeliers at this point, and seem to be having the same problem with both. I connect my two "normal" chandelier wires to the two "hot" ceiling wires. I connect the ground wire to what appears to be the ceiling ground wire. The chandelier turns on, BUT it's on the circuit for my kitchen light. Rather than having a kitchen light with one switch, and a chandelier with another (dimmer, if that makes a difference), I have both lights controlled by my kitchen switch. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the chandelier switch back into the mix. Again, the building is very old and all the wire insulation is crumbly. From what I can see, there are eight wires. Two are connected and run my kitchen appliances (not the light). Then THREE are connected... not sure what they do, afraid to find out. Those wires appear to have been in place a long time. Then there are these two "hot" wires that control my kitchen light, that are not held together well... and this one other random wire. I can't find any permutation of wires that allows me to use the dimmer switch. It was definitely working before I started messing with it. Also, are these chandelier wires really "hot" and "neutral"? They seem exactly the same and I can flip the connections to the "hot" kitchen switch wires without a problem. Does that make any sense? Thanks very much for reading this, this took me a lot longer to explain than I thought it would. I feel like I must be missing something really simple.