Simple Ceiling Light

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Simple Ceiling Light

I put a ceiling fan in my son's room about 4 years ago and decided I wanted a simple ceiling light instead.

The new light has two bulbs and thus two black and two white wires. The wires from the box in the ceiling are black, white and red.

From past experience the red is also hot possibly controlled by the switch?

I shut off the main power and attached red and black (ceiling) to black (light) and white to white. I turn the main power on and the test bulb is lit but always lit, regardless of the switch position.

I go back and remove the red from the black wires. So now red is capped, black to black and white to white. Same result, always on.

Out of curiosity (with the power off) I removed the case on the switch and I see a red and black wire attached to the switch and a white capped inside.

Does anyone have an idea of what is going on? Did I wire things wrong? Could the switch be bad? Should I punt and call a professional?

Thanks in advance!
Jason
 
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Welcome to the forums! I don't guess you remember how the fan was wired, huh? Do you have one or two switches? Was the fan and light separately controlled by switches, or was the fan always hot (operated by the pull chain only) and the light operated by the switch? Are there any more wires/cables in the switch box?
 
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Thanks for the answer. We always operated the fan by the two pulls. Its possible that the switch wasn't working before. I BELIEVE that the fan had red and black to black and white to white.
 
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Your ceiling fan most likely had a blue to red, black to black and white to white. That is the normal configuration, which would allow separate controls. Have you determined where the power originates? At the ceiling box or in the switch box. That is why I asked about the other wiring present.

You can post a picture of the switch wiring with the switch pulled from the box (power off). We may be able to help get it working via switch, since you say you always used the pull chains to operate it. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...your-post.html
 
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Pictures of ceiling and wall switch wiring. FYI the house is about 65 years old.
 
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Light black to red. Light white to other whites.
 
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That is an ooooold switch! I would consider replacing it just to be on the safe side. Not for safety's sake but to make sure you have a good switch in the mix.
 
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Is that something I can do? I can hand a ceiling fan, ceiling light and the like. Plus I speaka the YouTube.
 
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Old 07-13-14, 05:36 PM
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Wire for wire with power off. Red to one screw and black to the other, it doesn't matter which.
 
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Thanks so very much Chandler!
 
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Old 07-13-14, 06:22 PM
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And remember some of the YouTube posters are idiots so take their advice with a healthy dose of caution.
 
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I replaced the switch and I'm back to square one. Black to black, white to white red capped and black and red to black, white to white have the same result. The light is always on regardless of the switch position.

It's the only switch in the room.
 
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But that isn't what we told you to do. We told you to use the red. Post #6:
Light black to red. Light white to other whites.
 
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Ok ceiling red to light black, white to white and ceiling black to what? Just cap it?
 
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Yep, that did it!

Thanks so much!

So we are thinking that black is always hot and red is hot and attached to the switch?
 
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The two blacks at the ceiling box are constant hots.
 
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This is a case where logic works. You know only the light is switched so only one wire is used for switched power.The only single wire at the ceiling is red. This is further confirmed by red on the switch. The two blacks can't be correct because that would be too many wires unless there was a second light or receptacle controlled by the switch.
 
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