So Many Wires. Ceiling Light with no power to light switch.

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Old 12-16-15, 05:31 PM
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So Many Wires. Ceiling Light with no power to light switch.

I have been doing pretty good at my home repair projects but i have finally run into a problem that i cannot seem to fix. Hopefully someone has had a similar problem that may help me fix this crazy light. This light is the ceiling kitchen light.

I will do my best to explain everything and please view the pictures.
I have taken all the necessary precautions and only have wires specifically exposed to show you in the pictures exactly the issue that i am having.


1. When installing the new light fixture. I copied exactly what the old light fixture looked like but the light never came on. (the new light is led)

2.There is no power to the light switch when the breaker is on.

3. the two white wires that i connect to the light make the light come on.(even when I reverse them)the only way to turn the light off is to turn the breaker off.

4. All the other lights on the same breaker come on without any issues.

5. I don't see any GFCI outlets on this breaker

6.i Have tried many combinations but none go them work except for the combination show but again this make it impossible to turn off the light unless i hit switch the breaker off.

7. Every other light or socket on the same breaker works fine.

8. The pictures posted is the only combination that I could get to make the light come on

Thank you guys so much for your time..

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Old 12-16-15, 05:37 PM
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Welcome to the forms!

What wires do you have at the switch?
 
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Old 12-16-15, 05:40 PM
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Show us all the wiring at the switch.
 
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at the switch i have black,red, and white
 
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I only have 3 wires at the switch. Black, Red, White. I will take a picture shortly.
 
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Again. power is off and I only left wires out to clearly show the wires and connections.


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The red circled cable is the feed in.
The blue circled cable is the feed out.
The three wire is the switch.

Right now.... something is not working since you have the feed out not connected.

Connect W1 and W2 and the white from your light.
Connect B1 and B2 and B3. Cap off.
Connect R to black of the light.
Cap off W3.
Cap off white at switch. Connect red and black wires to the switch.
 
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thank you Pj. I followed your instructions exactly but to no success. I think there may be a problem with the wires because even after hooking them up i get no electric current reading at the switch.

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Old 12-16-15, 10:14 PM
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The next step is to use a multimeter to determine which 2-conductor cable at the light reads ~120v. Disconnect each cable and measure between black and white. (A non contact tester will not work.)
 

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Thank you Ray and fellow members.

Because of you guys I was able to fix the light and get it working without any further issues. I took the time to learn and research my issues and also learned to respect the craft of an electrician. I found out my problem was that it was a two way switch and I did not have the correct connectors to make finish the circuit.

Thank you so much for your help...
I am off to fix my next electrical task but that is a post for another time
 
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Old 12-18-15, 12:53 PM
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I found out my problem was that it was a two way switch
There are single pole switches and three way switches. Did you mean you needed a single pole switch but originally used a three way switch ?
 
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i had a single pole switch but i needed a three way switch. I hooked up everything exactly like you said but i had the returning neutral wire connected to the ground which i didnt realize in the second light switch of the chain. I replaced that single pole switch with a three way switch that gave me the darker screw to connect my extra wire to. then i hit the switch and everything worked.

I originally did not know that the light could be turned on at two locations. I had payed attention only to one light switch and since the power and light came before the switches i never got a current reading when i tested that switch and assumed it was not part of my problem.
 

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