Recessed lighting fixtures..older model? Can anyone identify? *Pics


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Old 02-20-16, 06:24 PM
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Question Recessed lighting fixtures..older model? Can anyone identify? *Pics

Hey need some help please..

The co-op we bought has some older model recessed lighting fixtures. Recently one of them started getting loose and fell out of the ceiling. I looked all over for clips but did not find any, I have no idea how it was being held in. It looks like there is cellulose insulation all over the inside of the ceiling and it started falling in once the light fell.

I was looking for a brand or model # on the light housing but could not find any, the trim is about 7.5 inches in diameter. The light is a 120w spotlight type, about 5.5 in diameter.

My questions are... how can I fix this so I can mount it back in the ceiling. Should this be replaced all together? Is it safe or smart to use some sort of silicone or adhesive around the trim and stick it back to the ceiling?

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It looks like the original installation may have been incorrect and there is risk of a fire. Wait for the pros opinion.

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You certainly posted a few pictures.

You have a problem there..... as far as I know.... those fixtures are not listed for direct contact to insulation around them like that. Those are Lightolier fixtures. This is a good thread on them.

http://www.doityourself.com/forum/li...sed-light.html
 
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Previous owners must have done a cheap job during renovation. If I replace all bulbs to LED would that lower fire risk? Its scary to think we have been living here a few years now and the rest of the lights are probably all the same.
 
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The whole piece that is hanging, is that all 1 piece or is that 2 separate pieces?
 
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If I replace all bulbs to LED would that lower fire risk?
Maybe but they will still be a code violation. Hopefully you never have a fire but if you did even if not really related to the lights the insurance company could use those as a reason not to pay. They all need to be replaced. The scary thing is if this is a co-op with other apartments in the same building your neighbors may have them too.
 
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So I took it down and took it apart. I believei ts a Lightolier Lytecaster Non-IC setup. -- Lytecaster 6.75 Inch Non-IC Incandescent Frame-In Kit by Lightolier | 1102P1

It still does not make sense that there are no clips. Even worse is it looks like they used a NON-IC setup where there is insulation..













 
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Since it is non IC clips are really a moot point. They all need to be replaced as soon as possible.
 
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I just found out that it was the owners prior to the previous owners who did the renovation... that means this has been like this for at least 9 years now...wow.
 
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But you can't know when your luck will run out.
 
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My goal is to get it setup like this, but where can I buy those black clips? That is what I will need, anyone know what the actual name is or where to buy?

 
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Old 02-22-16, 09:34 PM
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The clips will come with the new lights.
 
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Old 02-23-16, 07:29 AM
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Canít those lights be used as long as the insulation is blocked away? Kind of like the picture on the middle of the linked page below:

Energy Smart Home Performance :: Blog - Do I need more insulation? Maybe. Home Performance? Heck yeah. A mold story.
 
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Can’t those lights be used as long as the insulation is blocked away?
If there is no access from above how could you install and a box? Easier just to replace with the correct fixture in my opinion especially since finding the clips would be problematic. Then there are the other lights that would need boxes and also may need clips. IMHO easier to replace then try to fix.
 
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I inferred from post #11 there was in fact access. Guess maybe not.
 
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Picture in post eleven was one he found on the web showing clips he wants, not his setup.
 
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The fixtures you have are new work. Notice it says "Frame-In Kit" in the model number you posted. Lytecaster 6.75 Inch Non-IC Incandescent Frame-In Kit by Lightolier | 1102P1

So to answer your original question no you can't get clips because it was never intended to be used with clips.
 

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There is access from above actually as I am the top floor of a 2 story building that houses 4 units. There is a small trap door that leads to the space between the roof and the ceiling.
 
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There is access from above actually as I am the top floor of a 2 story building
Then you might want to check how the other lights are secured and put boxes around them.

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Did a little more research, looks like a remodeler kit was used...as I did not feel the frame when digging around. Looks like whoever did the install cut the hole slightly smaller so that the trim kit could fit into the ceiling snug without using any types of clips. (Over time it must have become loose and thats why it started to droop and fell.) I am not sure if they blew in insulation after or they just pushed it out of the way during the light install.

The hole in the ceiling is 6.5"

The housing trim from rim to rim is 7.56"

Lightolier Lytecaster 1105

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Apparently these can stay in the ceiling the way they are if all insulation is cleared away from them and all bulbs are replaced with BR40 LED replacements. Therefore there will be no insulation touching and very little heat given off.

Ideally, I would like to install IC rated and air tight cans in place of whats up there now.


PS. For anyone who stumbles on this thread in the future, this site sells clips/tabs - http://www.usalight.com/BP35-p/bp35.htm?CartID=1
http://www.usalight.com/BP39-p/bp39.htm?CartID=2
 
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I believe you just have to make sure the insulation stays at least three inches away from any part of the unit.

( I put Lightolier Calculite fixtures in my kitchen years ago, most are IC but two are non-IC because of lack of space in a specific area. All still working great.)

That usalight is a good find. Is there anything you canít buy on the internet Ė lol. Well I guess there are some things you canít, lol.
 
 

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