Another ceiling fan wiring issue

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Old 07-27-16, 05:50 PM
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Another ceiling fan wiring issue

I can't get the fan or lights at all. At the fan,there is white,black , and ground. I know the blue and the black from fan goes to the hot(black) the white to white, and ground. At the switch there is a Black,red, and white. Where does the red come in? Does the white get nutted to the other white(there is another switch that controls a porch light in the same box)
 

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Old 07-27-16, 06:08 PM
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At the outlet there is a Black,red, and white. Where does thr red come in
Is the outlet the switch box or is it a receptacle?
 
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Sorry it is the switch box. 2 switches, one for porch light (works fine) and one for fan.
 
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How many 2-conductor cables (black, white) and how many 3-conductor cables (black, red, white)? How are they connected?
 
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3 conductor is at the switch and 2 conductor is at the fan. Right now at the switch they are red top screw, black bottom and white with other whites in box and of course ground to green screw. at the fan, the blue and black from fan to the black from box and the white to white and ground to ground screw.
 
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But you said there were two switches in the box. We need to know all the wiring.
 

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There are 2 two conductor wires to the porch light switch. 1 three conductor wire to the other switch. I also notice that the ground wire is dark green , not bare.
 
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Terminology:
There are 2 two conductor wires
No those are cables, two or more conductors in a metallic or non metallic sheath. Wire refers to a single conductor.
There are 2 two conductor wires to the porch light switch.
Do you mean two wires to each terminal of the switch. One in the back stab and one on the screw? What you are describing doesn't sound normal. Please post pictures of both switches pulled out of the box but still connected so we can see the connections. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/li...rt-images.html
 
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Sorry if im not explaining it clearly.....there are a total of 3 wires going into the box. 2 of them are connected to the porch light switch. 2 black to the switch, 2 whites tied together and 2 grounds. The 3rd wire is going to the fan switch , 1 black, 1 white, a red , and ground. Ill try to get a pic. Tomorrow.
 
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there are a total of 3 wires going into the box
Do you mean cables? Gets confusing when you call cables wires. You say, "three wires" but then talk about seven different wires so I assume three cables. A standard SPST switch would have two wires but you seem to be saying two cables for a total of four wires. Is that correct?
 
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Yes 2 cables to porch switch....1 cable to other.
 
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Old 07-28-16, 02:04 AM
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Yes 2 cables to porch switch
But only the blacks, correct? The whites of the cables are connected to each other, correct?

Okay if you are sure there is no red wire at the fan then we need to find out where the 3-conductor cable goes. A 3-way switch is the most likely answer. Is there another switch some where in the room?
 
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nope no other switch, closest 3 way would be next room over there is a stairway with a switch at the top and bottom of stairs. When we moved in we were told that it did work and it was a bad fan, but maybe he just tried to fix it and thats what I'm seeing?
 
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Have you checked between black and white at the fan with a multimeter to see if you have voltage?

If so and no voltage with the switch on or the red and black wire nutted together then since the 3-conductor cable doesn't go to the fan and there is no other switch that leaves either a mystery Jbox or a receptacle. I'd start pulling the cover plates off the receptacles on the circuit starting with the one closes to the switch. Look for one with a red wire. Pull each receptacle out if needed to be sure there aren't any hidden wires behind the receptacle.
 
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