Ceiling fan where light used to be


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Old 07-02-17, 08:05 PM
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Ceiling fan where light used to be

When we bought our house we had a ceiling light. We had an electrician remove that light and install 4 recessed lights controlled by the same switch. We now want to put a ceiling fan that is remote operated where the light used to be. Do you think it is as simple as adding a black and white wire to the existing black/white wires seen in the image?

The black piece is from the fan and has a green ground wire. Thanks!


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Old 07-02-17, 08:10 PM
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What did the electrician do.... just blank plate the box where the fixture was ?
That box needs to be a fan rated box. Yours may not be.

What would be helpful is to shoot closeup pictures of the box and wiring so we can see what you have there.
 
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Old 07-02-17, 09:44 PM
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Do you have conduit rather than cable? Remove the fan hanger so we can see if it is a fan rated box. I suspect given your location conduit. That could make changing out a non fan rated box more difficult.
 
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Old 07-03-17, 06:00 AM
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Thanks!

It seems like Im ok with putting the fan as the box has a note on there that is it rated for 150lbs. My fan is about 40. Please let me know your thoughts. Take care!

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Old 07-03-17, 09:29 AM
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Still the box may not be fan rated. We need to see the tabs where the screws from fan go in. What the little I see it is not.
 
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You can see where the screw from the fan goes into the tab and then to the top of the box. The tabs seem very solid...gave a good tug and they didnt move/bend anything.

For my understanding what would be the difference between a 150lb fixture and 150lb fan? I imagine when the fan is running it may add to the weight.
 
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Old 07-03-17, 10:35 AM
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Here is a bunch of boxes that are fan rated, yous could be but I have never see that type. Need long screws for your box.
https://www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=ceiling+fan+box
 
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Thanks all! I will swap it out. Once I do was my original assumption of just adding a black/white wire to the existing set to connect to the fan correct?
 
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You may not need to swap it out. I deleted my post because I misread yours.
 
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If the screws go thru the tabs AND then thru the back of the box.... you are ok.

The difference between a fan and a light is the light is a static (non-moving) load.
 
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They do go through the tabs AND the back. Thanks for the confirmation. Any thoughts on the wiring part of it?

Much appreciated!
 
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I just went back and re-read your first post..... yes.... the three white wires and the three black wires are the always live connections.

There should be a smaller threaded hole in the back of the box for a ground screw.
Usually a green ground screw is used but that will probably require a trip to the store.
 
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Thanks all for your help!
 
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One item I did not mention was that the 4 recessed lights i have are installed by a dimmer switch. The fan I have is controlled by a remote. Reading the manual for the fan it says not to use a dimmer switch...and the manual for the dimmer says not to use it to control a motorized object.

Would you say my two options are to switch the dimmer to a traditional switch (in which case I wonder if the fan would work if the switch were in an off position) or to install a new switch (I would probably hire someone for this as I live in a condo building)

Thoughts?
 
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Old 07-05-17, 01:16 PM
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No.... you need to to do nothing. You are connecting the fan to "always live" wiring.
The dimmer in place is only to control your ceiling lights.

The whites are neutral. The blacks appear to be "always live".
The orange/yellow connection is the dimmed/switch light line that you don't touch.
 
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hmm makse sense...thanks again for your help
 
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Success! thanks all...now onto the chandelier in the kitchen
 
 

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