Is this a fan rated box?


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Old 10-12-17, 01:15 PM
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Is this a fan rated box?

I'm planning to put in a ceiling fan into a fixture that appears not to have anything attached to it in the past.
I pulled off the plastic covering and this is the box. Wondering if it is fan rated? I cannot see any obvious markings besides the name Hubbell

https://imgur.com/a/9qVyH

There also appears to be a capped pair of black and white wires.

There are two switches on the nearby wall - one controls the recessed pot lights and the other one appears to control the top plug of one of the nearby outlets. Any thoughts on where these wires may lead to? I don't want to just wire the ceiling fan into an unknown circuit.

I do have a wire tracer so when I get a chance to turn off the power I will try to trace the wires.

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Old 10-12-17, 01:50 PM
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The mounting bar is blocking an important part of the picture, but based on the screw through the side of the box I would say no.
 
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Old 10-12-17, 01:56 PM
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The plastic bar is just to hold the blank cover in place, you need to remove it so we can see the rest of the box.

My gut feeling is that this is NOT a fan-rated box, at least the method used to attach it seems pretty poor in my opinion.

Do you have a blank wall plate in the room? If yes, that is where the wires for the fan and lamp probably are located.
 
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Old 10-12-17, 03:04 PM
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Thanks for the replies
Here is a picture with the plastic bar removed
https://imgur.com/gallery/hUTgm

There are no blank wall plates in the room, just the two switches, one of which appears to control an outlet, and the other which controls the recessed pot lights.
There is also another switch on the opposite side of the room which controls the gas fireplace.
 
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Not fan rated. It has only ears for 8-32 screws. That is not adequate for a dynamic load.
 
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Old 10-12-17, 07:18 PM
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That box is screwed into the side of a joist. It is easy to remove and replace.

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Old 10-13-17, 02:20 PM
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Thanks for the help so far,

I've removed the box and planning on installing a retrofit hanger bar and box.

Ive been told my several people that there should be some sort of security cable from the fan attached to the structure.

i have an Emerson grand carerra Eco (CF788) which does not appear to have this. According to the instructions the only attachment points are two threaded 10-32 screws to the junction box. Is this normal? Or should I be concerned there is no security cable in case the mounting screws fail?
 
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Never heard of a security cable. Who told you that?
 
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Old 10-13-17, 03:41 PM
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The lighting guy at home depot mentioned there should be a braided aircraft type cable from the fan attached to a J-hook mounted to a stud to make sure the fan doesn't fall if the mounting bracket fails.

I've looked around online and can't find anything related to this.
 
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Old 10-13-17, 04:11 PM
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The lighting guy at home depot mentioned there should be a braided aircraft type cable from the fan attached to a J-hook
Yes.... it sounds like an excellent idea but it is not routinely done. I'm not aware of any homeowner fans the the depot sells that would have a safety cable.

Although a retrofit box and bar is the best overall mounting system.... it can be almost impossible to install directly next to a joist. If you do use it.... you will more than likely need to move the hole for the box slightly away from the joist.

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Old 10-13-17, 04:56 PM
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I thought there was a possibility that the legs from the bar would be too thick for the box to fit.
Do you think attaching a standalone fan box to the joist from the side similar to how the original box was attached would be sufficient?
 
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Old 10-13-17, 05:16 PM
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If you are asking what I personally would do..... I'd put in the metal bar and box like shown in my diagram. Although the plastic box I posted is UL listed for fan applications.... I'm just not overly fond of plastic boxes for fan use.
 
 

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