Upgrading CFL kitchen fixture to LED - need advice
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Upgrading CFL kitchen fixture to LED - need advice
I tried using LED tubes with the existing T8 ballast and they worked for a while, but then started flickering, and eventually, the ballast died. I've heard that flickering is a common problem with the original LED tubes, but that there are newer bulbs which don't do this. I'm considering just bypassing the ballast and using direct-wire LED tubes (4 ft.). Is that the best route, since it's more energy-efficient, eliminates the ballast failure issue, and would avoid the flicker problem? Any downside? If not, do I have to source a specific type of bulb to work with my shunted headstones? Thanks!
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I never install LED bulbs and use a ballast. I install LED bulbs that are line powered (you remove the ballast and power them directly from 120 VAC) and have never had any flickering or problems. Read the specs for the bulbs you are considering. Some are powered from both ends and others do it all from one end. Also, some bulbs come packaged with new headstones.
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I'm considering just bypassing the ballast and using direct-wire LED tubes
I just changed over my garage and I could not be happier.
Watch the color selection, while the 6500K for the garage is impressive you would not want that in the kitchen!
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Thanks, Ray. Sounds like you're in agreement that bypassing the ballast is the way to go. I'll start the search for the recommended LED tubes, and look into how I'll need to run the bypass wiring.
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Thanks for the advice, Pilot Dane. Do you - or any other members - happen to have any favorite brands/models, from your experience?
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I have tried Hyperikon (8' and 4') and SuperbrightLED's 4' basically picking the cheapest available at the time and they have all worked well. Between home, office and warehouse I have over 30 tubes with the oldest 3 years old and I have not had a single one fail so I can't say one brand is better than another.
Look closely at the photos for the tubes you choose. Some brands have a clear tube so the individual LED's are visible which is OK for a shop but not in a kitchen if the bulb is visible but if your fixture has a diffuser it probably doesn't matter.
Definetely choose a warmer color temperature (lower K number). Higher K numbers appear brighter but have a cold, institutional feel. Don't worry about the brightness of lower K number bulbs as they are still a bit brighter than traditional fluorescents.
Bypass wiring is no big deal. Make sure the power is turned off. Remove the old ballast leaving the wires in the fixture as long as possible. Then connect your house's hot (black) and neutral (white) to the wires leading to the tombstones as needed. Cap off or remove unused wires in the fixture and your done. The hardest part of the job is bringing the ladder into the house.
Look closely at the photos for the tubes you choose. Some brands have a clear tube so the individual LED's are visible which is OK for a shop but not in a kitchen if the bulb is visible but if your fixture has a diffuser it probably doesn't matter.
Definetely choose a warmer color temperature (lower K number). Higher K numbers appear brighter but have a cold, institutional feel. Don't worry about the brightness of lower K number bulbs as they are still a bit brighter than traditional fluorescents.
Bypass wiring is no big deal. Make sure the power is turned off. Remove the old ballast leaving the wires in the fixture as long as possible. Then connect your house's hot (black) and neutral (white) to the wires leading to the tombstones as needed. Cap off or remove unused wires in the fixture and your done. The hardest part of the job is bringing the ladder into the house.
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Don't intend to hi-jack the thread, but......I have the same outdated (1993) CFL in the kitchen and magnetic ballast and they flicker and buzz. I am not going to do any electrical work but hire an electrician. These sit on top of our kitchen cabinets and face upward.
Guess there are three options.. 1) Leave fixture in place and install new bypass LED tubes, 2) buy new LED fixture and tubes. 3) buy new CFL fixture and CFL tubes.
Also Is an in-line fuse needed ?
Still confused about single / double ended; shunted or non shunted; plug and play...but that is why an electrician will come over.
Last, I read that I should not connect a non-shunted tombstone directly to a branch circuit. ???
Thank you
Guess there are three options.. 1) Leave fixture in place and install new bypass LED tubes, 2) buy new LED fixture and tubes. 3) buy new CFL fixture and CFL tubes.
Also Is an in-line fuse needed ?
Still confused about single / double ended; shunted or non shunted; plug and play...but that is why an electrician will come over.
Last, I read that I should not connect a non-shunted tombstone directly to a branch circuit. ???
Thank you
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still confused about single / double ended; shunted or non shunted;
Shunted means the two slots in tombstone are connected to each other.

Last edited by ray2047; 01-11-19 at 12:27 AM.
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Yadda Yadda you have a couple options. You can retain your existing fixtures, remove the ballasts and install 120 VAC powered LED bulbs which is what we've been discussing. Another option is an LED fixture system that is mostly just plugging things together. With this system the only issue is adding an outlet above your cabinet to plug these lights into.
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read that I should not connect a non-shunted tombstone directly to a branch circuit. ???
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Thanks for your great advice, everyone. I opted for the "toggled" brand, single-ended bulbs. 4000K/2300 lumens. They were an easy install, with supplied non-shunted tombstones to replace my shunted ones. So far, working like a charm. Hope you all have a great weekend!