How exactly to measure LED recessed retrofit

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Old 02-21-20, 10:49 AM
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How exactly to measure LED recessed retrofit

I'm looking to replace several of the below with something along the lines of:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YF4G6JH/ref=emc_b_5_t?th=1

However, I'm not sure exactly what size to get. The measurement across the blue line below is 4.5", but I'm only seeing replacements for a 4", or a 5/6".

The total diameter of the item below (from edge of trim to edge of trim) is 6".

Do I need to remove the trim so I can accurately measure the exact hole size?

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Why are you keeping the old ring and not just replacing the entire fixture?
 
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Old 02-21-20, 12:32 PM
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I'm absolutely looking to replace the entire thing. I thought that what I linked to above was the whole thing. If it's the wrong thing, any advice on a different light to purchase would be appreciated.
 
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Old 02-21-20, 01:19 PM
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Sorry but I am confused,
It is the hole in the drywall that matters not the ID of the fixture.
I am not familiar with this exact fixture but there is probably a can above it,
The ivory ring is probably just a cover plate.
So the fixture you want would be a 6 inch, That is the OD of the cover ring.

See the below as an example
https://www.amazon.com/JJC-Recessed-...s%2C209&sr=1-7
 
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Thank you. I'll take a look.
 
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Old 02-21-20, 01:29 PM
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Hi, ones on Amazon will work fine but the are 4” retro fit, you probably need 6” ,pull that trim down on the existing fixture and measure the ID of the can.
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Understood and will do (take a better measurement)
 
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So the can diameter is just under 5". Bigger than 4", but not quite 5". Maybe 4.75" or so.

I had bought a 5/6" retro kit and it wouldn't fit (I adjusted the spring things to the 5" size but they wouldn't fit up into the can).

I guess I'll try a 4", but I think it might be too small.

I'm very confused


 
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Old 02-22-20, 08:04 AM
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Those cans stay permanently in the ceiling. They can be removed but it's not easy.

What holds up the current trim ring you have ? Is it small springs ?
Those look like Halo cans.
Not all LED retrofit kits are universal fit.
 
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Do you have a picture or a link to the ones you bought?
 
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This is the one I tried: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commerci...-259/303780877

As for what holds up the current trim ring, here are some pics (yes, there are small springs). The outer trim is held in place by the other piece (which is held in place by the springs).

The spring goes in the round hole near the top of the last picture:



 
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It looks like you have a can in a can.
I searched but could not find any info on this set up so perhaps the following clips will let you install that fixture.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/NICOR-Mo...CLIP/302003753
 
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Thank you. This is starting to become a non-DIY for me
 
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Old 02-23-20, 04:57 AM
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Hi, based on the fact that the label says R20 lamps it would appear to use 4” trims, is there a model # inside the fixture can? It’s not a can in can, that inside is described to raise or lower the socket.
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Your problem has been bugging me.
I too a look at the video on the link to the ones you bought.
The video of the box with the guys hand on it.
It showed two mounting options.The last three digits of the ones you purchased (the store SKU ) is 217.
But looking at the video his box is 204.
So this should have the two mounting options.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commerci...-259/303780862

Still no guarantee that they will work but at least you do not need clips and it may fit wothout any modification.
 
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This is all I can find in terms of model #s or whatnot:

 
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I think model 204 vs 217 is just the 1 pack vs. the 4 pack, but otherwise the same item.

I did come with friction clips, which I can try, I just have no idea where those would go as, holding them up real quick, they didn't align with anything in the ceiling can.
 
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I think they are just held by friction on the side walls.
 
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So i just tried the friction clips and, like the regular clips, they just don't fit within the can. I think because it only measures 4.75" or so in diameter, these clips which are meant for 5" or 6" just won't fit

If I remove the clips the unit fits nicely into the can, and the trim ring is a perfect size. So maybe I can fix something up to get it to stay... crazy glue?
 
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We all know the depot website is terribly inaccurate. You need to go to the store and find which replacement LED covers have the dual mounting system. That's what you need there.

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To confirm, the item I bought at HD does have the dual mounting option, including the friction mount you just posted above. Problem is that it's too wide. Basically, the small piece of metal sticking out of the until, where the different mounts would screw into, just barely fits into the can (with a little room to spare). Once I screw in either of the 2 mounting options, it becomes too wide to fit.
 
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Crazy glue is not a good idea as you still want to be able to remove them from the can.

I do not know if you want to risk this as you will not be able to take them back.

You are so close.
I would elongate the slot in the mounting bracket.
You may also have to cut some off the end if it is hitting the fixture side.
You are only out a 1/4 inch so 1/8" on each side should do it though I would probably go a little more.
 
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Yeah, I was (half) joking on the crazy glue I'll see if I can figure something out, or worse case have my handyman take a look (as this is becoming a bit more than diy for more unfortunately).
 
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You have discovered why I generally always avoid store branded light fixtures and faucets.
 
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