Adding an outlet where there is an existing switch


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Old 03-09-23, 08:41 PM
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Adding an outlet where there is an existing switch

I currently don't have an electrical outlet in my bathroom. There is an existing double switch that controls the ventillation fan and light separately. The only wires going to to that box are a black, a red, a white and a ground. The white is connected to both silver screws on the top and bottom of the switch. The black is connected to the top brass screw on the switch and the red is connected to the bottom brass screw on the switch. (See attached pictures)







Is there an easy way to add an always on outlet with a double ganged box in the same spot?
 

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Old 03-10-23, 05:45 AM
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You don't have a neutral. The white is being used as a hot.
You could rewire at the fan so that one switch controls both and then use the white for neutral.
 
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Old 03-10-23, 09:02 AM
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Get a plug/switch/GFI combo receptacle!


 
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Old 03-10-23, 12:03 PM
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Would two of those plug switches work with my current wiring?
 
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Old 03-10-23, 01:01 PM
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Your wanting to add another box/plug into the room on the same circuit?
 
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Old 03-11-23, 05:03 AM
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Yes I would like it to be in the same room on the same circuit.
 
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One of them has to be a GFI plug.
 
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I have a gfi plug for it because it will be in the bathroom.
 
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You can't have two switches with the current setup. You don't have a neutral. With some rewiring at the fan/light you could install one of them.
 
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There are already two switches there, one controls the fan, one controls the light. Do you mean I can't have two switches and a plug? Both the black and the red wires are hot in the current setup. How is the white not neutral?
 

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With an outlet, you need a hot and neutral wire. The white wire in the switch box is not a neutral it is a hot wire supplying power to the switch(s). In order to do what you want you would have to rewire the wires at the light fixture (assuming that is where the hot wire is) so that the white wire is a neutral. You would also have to rewire so that the fan and light come on at the same time eliminating one switch.

If this does not sound like something you want then the only real option would be to run a new circuit, cut in a new box, and install an outlet there.
 
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There are already two switches there, one controls the fan, one controls the light. Do you mean I can't have two switches and a plug?
Not without adding some new cabling.

Both the black and the red wires are hot in the current setup. How is the white not neutral?
Black and red are switched power to the fan and light. White is constant hot from the fan/light as per the drawing above.
 
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Old 03-11-23, 07:42 PM
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Thank you for that reply and drawing. It makes sense to me now. I am just going to run a new line from the circuit breaker at this point. I really appreciate everyone's help.
 
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If this is a bathroom then the new line must #12 and a 20 amp circuit.
 
 

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