Front axle
#1
12-19-02, 05:53 PM
Front axle
Dose anyone know where I might find a used 'front axle assembly' off of a murray 38" riding lawmower...part # 21441F200. Model # of the mower is 9-38608X92. I've got one thats all busted-up beyond repair. I have been in contact with two Murray dealers, who said the part was no longer available. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#2
12-19-02, 06:33 PM
The part may not be available, but it might be sitting on someone's shelf.
In automotive, we are able to check stock of other dealers by Internet or a phone call to see if they have it. The leads are usually correct.
A couple of thing:
1) E-mail Murray yourself and ask. I believe the URL is www.murrayinc.com
2) Look up the part on Sears' website. Murray makes some of Sears' riding mowers---they might still have the part. Try www.sears.com and then Parts. Plug in that Murray #.
3) Call around to various small engine shops/scout the net for one you can use for parts or perhaps a good machinist could make one or you could substitute another axle for it.
In automotive, we are able to check stock of other dealers by Internet or a phone call to see if they have it. The leads are usually correct.
A couple of thing:
1) E-mail Murray yourself and ask. I believe the URL is www.murrayinc.com
2) Look up the part on Sears' website. Murray makes some of Sears' riding mowers---they might still have the part. Try www.sears.com and then Parts. Plug in that Murray #.
3) Call around to various small engine shops/scout the net for one you can use for parts or perhaps a good machinist could make one or you could substitute another axle for it.
#3
12-19-02, 09:51 PM
I hope this isn't against forum policy....
....one would think I would know but I just can't help but help a guy in need. I have a few of the 38" front axles, used. I get $20.00 for them. If I can help get back here. If I shouldn't help a man with some scarce parts LMK and I'll back off....Mike
#4
12-20-02, 07:33 AM
I think it's being noble, helpful, and kind. That's my .02.
Bravo to Mike!
If we cannot help each other out somehow, what is the purpose?
BTW: Murray Inc. answered a question for me in under 12 hours. Wow
.
My question was: "Are you vendor #536 who seems to make the Sears yard equipment?"
Their answer: "Yes, we are that vendor # and do make those for Sears".
Bravo to Mike!
If we cannot help each other out somehow, what is the purpose?
BTW: Murray Inc. answered a question for me in under 12 hours. Wow
.My question was: "Are you vendor #536 who seems to make the Sears yard equipment?"
Their answer: "Yes, we are that vendor # and do make those for Sears".
#7
12-22-02, 04:22 PM
502 is probably a company that Murray now owns. The first three digits of a Sears model # denote their vendor source.
I tried to plug in the part # JAB provided in Sears.com, no dice. Generally, if the vendor obsoletes it, Sears does too as they typically just drop ship from the vendor source.
I would go with Mike's offer, what a deal!!!!
I tried to plug in the part # JAB provided in Sears.com, no dice. Generally, if the vendor obsoletes it, Sears does too as they typically just drop ship from the vendor source.
I would go with Mike's offer, what a deal
!!!!
#10
12-23-02, 09:11 AM
JAB:
I just received an e-mail from Mike, so I'm sure he'll be around. Be patient, this is a busy time of year for everyone and Mike is a busy guy, like us all.
Fish:
Correct, Noma is part of Murray. Most equipment at Sears today that is Murray produced uses #536. I had published a Sears' vendor source list here some time ago--should be in the forum archives.
Believe it or not, when you buy Tecumseh parts, the envelope often says "Source 143" right on the Tecumseh packaging. 143 in "Sears-speak" is the vendor # for Tecumseh.
Sears and Tecumseh must have a good relationship. Or rather, Sears' vendors and Tecumseh.
Tcum-man can confirm that.
I just received an e-mail from Mike, so I'm sure he'll be around. Be patient, this is a busy time of year for everyone and Mike is a busy guy, like us all
.Fish:
Correct, Noma is part of Murray. Most equipment at Sears today that is Murray produced uses #536. I had published a Sears' vendor source list here some time ago--should be in the forum archives.
Believe it or not, when you buy Tecumseh parts, the envelope often says "Source 143" right on the Tecumseh packaging. 143 in "Sears-speak" is the vendor # for Tecumseh.
Sears and Tecumseh must have a good relationship. Or rather, Sears' vendors and Tecumseh
.Tcum-man can confirm that
.
#11
12-23-02, 02:31 PM
I called the distributor with the model number. The part is
no longer available, but because it supercedes to #91827sec
Any mower shop can get it for you. The new part has both
of the wheel spindles on it. I have 2 of the axles/pivot bars
with 1 spindle in stock.
Fish
no longer available, but because it supercedes to #91827sec
Any mower shop can get it for you. The new part has both
of the wheel spindles on it. I have 2 of the axles/pivot bars
with 1 spindle in stock.
Fish
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12-23-02, 07:37 PM
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Fish you are probable right, if the mower is over 10 years old the axle may not be available at Sears, Murray or any where else. Unless it is used in newer models then you have. For future reference, if you want to check Sears for any parts call the 800 number and give them these numbers. The Div. # is 71 (Lawn & Garden) the source # is 502 (Murray) then the part number if you got it. (Div. 71 Source 502 Part #91827)
Sears doesn't make any thing and their Parts Dept. goes stickle by model numbers. Most all sears products have a model numbers and the first three numbers of the model number are the source (manufacture) number. The manufactures make the product for Sears and use their specs. but a lot of the basic parts (blades, seats, axles est.)interchange between a Sears 502 and a Murray tractors. In this case 502 was Murray but also 917 is American Yard Products, 143 is Tecumseh, 500 is Briggs & Stratton and 501 is Kohler.
Hope I've helped in a small way.
Sears doesn't make any thing and their Parts Dept. goes stickle by model numbers. Most all sears products have a model numbers and the first three numbers of the model number are the source (manufacture) number. The manufactures make the product for Sears and use their specs. but a lot of the basic parts (blades, seats, axles est.)interchange between a Sears 502 and a Murray tractors. In this case 502 was Murray but also 917 is American Yard Products, 143 is Tecumseh, 500 is Briggs & Stratton and 501 is Kohler.
Hope I've helped in a small way.
#14
12-23-02, 08:07 PM
Joe_F or Fish,
Could you give us a breakdown on just what the Sears numbers stand for? For example 143.284232, does the 143 stand for Tecumseh? What do the terms "Div.#", Source# and Vendor# mean. If the first three numbers are 502, does this stand for a Murray product? I just don't thoroughly understand this numbering system.
Could you give us a breakdown on just what the Sears numbers stand for? For example 143.284232, does the 143 stand for Tecumseh? What do the terms "Div.#", Source# and Vendor# mean. If the first three numbers are 502, does this stand for a Murray product? I just don't thoroughly understand this numbering system.
#15
12-23-02, 08:53 PM
JAB:
A Sears model # is typically in the format of 123.456789
1) 123 (the first three digits before the period) denote the source code (vendor). This is who makes the product for Sears.
2) 45678 would be, not all the time, but most times, includes the partial SKU or stock # it was sold at in the store or catalog when it was a current model. My 161.21042 engine analyzer (another trash find...1980 model) was sold under Item #2104 in the store , but if you require parts for it, you have to refer to it with Sears as the 161.21042 engine analyzer. In this case, the 161 denotes "Actron Manufacturing" in Cleveland, Ohio as the source. This is the same company as Sunpro. I contacted them after I found this unit and the gentleman there was VERY helpful. He was an old-timer and "remembers those units in '80 when they were new". In turn, he sent me a schematic and a couple of free missing parts for it. Not all the time, but on the bigger ticket items, the partial SKU is part of the full model #. On something like a screwdriver, the #41583 stamped on it is the exact # (the clerk has to add division 9 when entering it) that it is sold, stocked and priced under.
3) The division codes are Sears' internal department codes. The next time you are in Sears, look on some of their product labels. You'll see a number with a line under it (like a 9 for instance). That is the hardware department/division. 71 is Lawn and Garden for instance.
4) When you order parts, you simply need the full model # of the product. If you can figure out who makes the product, you can head it off at the pass...typically the part #s in the Sears books and literature that comes with the machine are actually the vendor #s.
For instance, when I picked up an AYP (917 model #) mower out of the trash from a neighbor, I needed a drain plug. I looked up the part # online from Sears, but since I knew it was an AYP with a Tecumseh motor, I knew I could just take that part # for the drain plug to the small engine dealer. Sure enough the man said,"Oh yes, that's a Tecumseh #....". Pulled out a Tecumseh part with the same # as the Sears literature and said, "Boy, you know your stuff!"
He then proceeded to ask me questions about who owned AYP before Fridigaire (It was Roper) and then he said, "You want a job here????" LOL
As for the source list:
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Craftsm...urers-Name.asp
That's one of the ones I have found. I'm sure there are other. Search the forum archives, I have posted this a few times.
A Sears model # is typically in the format of 123.456789
1) 123 (the first three digits before the period) denote the source code (vendor). This is who makes the product for Sears.
2) 45678 would be, not all the time, but most times, includes the partial SKU or stock # it was sold at in the store or catalog when it was a current model. My 161.21042 engine analyzer (another trash find...1980 model) was sold under Item #2104 in the store , but if you require parts for it, you have to refer to it with Sears as the 161.21042 engine analyzer. In this case, the 161 denotes "Actron Manufacturing" in Cleveland, Ohio as the source. This is the same company as Sunpro. I contacted them after I found this unit and the gentleman there was VERY helpful. He was an old-timer and "remembers those units in '80 when they were new". In turn, he sent me a schematic and a couple of free missing parts for it.
Not all the time, but on the bigger ticket items, the partial SKU is part of the full model #. On something like a screwdriver, the #41583 stamped on it is the exact # (the clerk has to add division 9 when entering it) that it is sold, stocked and priced under.3) The division codes are Sears' internal department codes. The next time you are in Sears, look on some of their product labels. You'll see a number with a line under it (like a 9 for instance). That is the hardware department/division. 71 is Lawn and Garden for instance.
4) When you order parts, you simply need the full model # of the product. If you can figure out who makes the product, you can head it off at the pass...typically the part #s in the Sears books and literature that comes with the machine are actually the vendor #s.
For instance, when I picked up an AYP (917 model #) mower out of the trash from a neighbor, I needed a drain plug. I looked up the part # online from Sears, but since I knew it was an AYP with a Tecumseh motor, I knew I could just take that part # for the drain plug to the small engine dealer. Sure enough the man said,"Oh yes, that's a Tecumseh #....". Pulled out a Tecumseh part with the same # as the Sears literature and said, "Boy, you know your stuff!"
He then proceeded to ask me questions about who owned AYP before Fridigaire (It was Roper) and then he said, "You want a job here????" LOL
As for the source list:
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Craftsm...urers-Name.asp
That's one of the ones I have found. I'm sure there are other. Search the forum archives, I have posted this a few times.
Last edited by Joe_F; 12-23-02 at 09:10 PM.
#19
05-21-12, 04:34 PM
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Volzka...Mike is no longer a member as far as I can find...I can't even access his profile. I's been 10 yrs...so...I doubt you'll hear back.
