need a governor idle spring

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Old 08-30-07, 01:28 PM
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need a governor idle spring

i need a governor idle spring for a briggs and stration engine 10A902 code 2189. got it off of ebay yesterday and the old spring is nothing but a stretched out thin peace of wire. can't find one that fits this engine. need the part number so I can get it at the local shop.if it helps this engine has a on board throttle control for slow or fast mounted above the carb.
 
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I believe what you posted as the "code is really the "type".

Post the entire "code" numbers and we can get you the part # you need. There are several different springs so that # is very important.
 
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Old 08-30-07, 05:15 PM
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The governor spring (larger of the two) is Briggs part number 690251 and the governed idle spring (smaller) is Briggs part number 691859.
 
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thanks now can you give me a diagram of how to install them as this engine has a throttle controll monted above the carb so I want to install the springs correctly
 
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if it helps heres the mowers model number 11A-414D724 might also have 483-312

SERIAL 1H220K30326
 
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ok then will just have to figure it out myself. hope I don't blow the engine
 
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There are a lot of combinations because of the throttle possibilities, I usually go to a store that sells a mower with the same engine setup and remove the air filter to see how the springs are attached, i doesn't need to be the same brand mower just the same throttle setup. Have a good one. Geo
 
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ok well installed them and it still not running right.did I install them right

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6582/dcp1669qv1.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7577/dcp1670wq3.jpg

what you think. it started right up then almost stalled then went back up. thottle controll help a little but still not running smoothly.
 
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oh well tried it again by adjusting runs too fast adjust it again it runs then hunts again I give up
 
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Don't give up ! , It does appear that you have a least the larger spring on incorrectly. here is a link to show correct way.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p84/bartend007/DSC00008-2.jpg

I could not see yours all that well. You do have a rod from governor to throttle plate correct?

Are you sure "O" ring and retaining clip is installed tight where it mounts to the engine?


Did you replace diaphram and gasket and clean tank and carb well?
 
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All three images are too blurry to decipher if everything is hooked up correctly. Flirty, I can say that the governor spring (yellow) is hooked up in the wrong direction, you need to swap end for end. I can't even get a clear view of the governed idle spring to say if it is or is not correctly hooked up. See if you can post a more clear pic and get a bit of an angle on the photo rather than straight down on the carb. An angled shot should provide some depth, dimensionally speaking. By the way, the hunt will likely be related to the diaphragm and pickup tube into the fuel reservoir.
 
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Originally Posted by smallengineguy View Post
Don't give up ! , It does appear that you have a least the larger spring on incorrectly. here is a link to show correct way.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p84/bartend007/DSC00008-2.jpg

I could not see yours all that well. You do have a rod from governor to throttle plate correct?

Are you sure "O" ring and retaining clip is installed tight where it mounts to the engine?


Did you replace diaphram and gasket and clean tank and carb well?
no tank or carb clean as the guy said it started first pull till he let his brother borrow it and when i got it off of eBay the yellow spring was so stretched out it was just a piece of long wire I will try to post better shots. I even did hook it up that way in the photo and it still went hunting let me try a different camera
 
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Ok heres a better picture http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8941/pict0177vf9.jpg

I tired it this way once but it didn't work still went hunting. the old spring was nothing but a long piece of wire
 
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I think what you need is a 495770 diaphgram kit installed and a good spraying with carb and brake parts cleaner in that order. Have a good one. Geo
 
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The idle spring now needs to go end for end but it is hooked up at the right points. And, as Geo indicated, you need to install a new carb diaphragm.
 
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Originally Posted by puey61 View Post
The idle spring now needs to go end for end but it is hooked up at the right points. And, as Geo indicated, you need to install a new carb diaphragm.
so is all springs hooked up right
 
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No

you need to change the idle spring
 
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you need to change the idle spring
whats wrong puey61 said its hooked up at the right points so whats the problem

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8941/pict0177vf9.jpg
 
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He also said it needs to go end for end.
 
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He also said it needs to go end for end.
grrrrrr you pros arn't helping puey61 says it needs to go end for end though its hooked up at the right points well what does that mean will someone please show me
 
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It should look like the following pic you are ok. Have a good one. Geo

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8941/pict0177vf9.jpg
 
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Originally Posted by geogrubb View Post
It should look like the following pic you are ok. Have a good one. Geo

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8941/pict0177vf9.jpg
ok i got it correct then sense its still surging I just need to clean and replace the carb diaphragm
 
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ok removed the carb/tank so I could clean and install a new diaphragm and this is what I found.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9194/dcp1674mo3.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4494/dcp1675kf4.jpg

could that cause it to surge. thats plastic BTW. so is the engine shot now
 
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That is a new one one me, I've taken the tank off a hundred of those engines and have never seen that, they all had a metal tube for intake as I remember and they never came off with the carb. The engine is not shot but it looks like your fun is just beginning. However I will do some checking. Have a good one. Geo
Looks like you need:
699644 Manifold−Intake
(Used After Code Date
03080300).
693446 Manifold−Intake
(Used Before Code
Date 03080400).
699649 Gasket−Intake
(Used After Code Date
03080300).
270345S Gasket−Intake
(Used Before Code
Date 03080400).
 
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The all plastic briggs carbs are junk in my mind. The only good news is a replacement carb is very cheap compared to other carbs. I have found that sometimes engine heat will warp these and it becomes impossible to get a good seal on the diaphram which causes an air leak, which results in surging. I think your best fix here is to replace the carb.
 
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The broken piece is the intake manifold and based on the chassis serial number you've previously posted this should be a model year '01 and thus before the '03 date codes that Geo found. Therefore, the manifold is part number 693446 and it includes the manifold gasket and won't, therefore, need to be ordered seperately. But, to be sure you have a model year '01 engine post back with the engine's code number (to go along with the 10A902-2189). Also, this is an odd place for the manifold to break and I'll bet that either the crankshaft is bent causing a great deal of vibration, or, one of the two tank mounting bolt backed out and was then held in place by only one bolt thereby putting alot of stress on the manifold.
 
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OK code is 98092455 and yes the tank is missing one of the mounting screws
 
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HURRAY it works replace the intake manifold along with the diaphragm and it runs perfect thank you guys so much
 
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