Briggs &Stratton 5hp won't start?
#1
06-20-17, 01:46 PM
Briggs &Stratton 5hp won't start?
Hi guys, I'm a newbie, this is my first post, hope someone can help, I have an old Wolseley merrytiller, which has a Briggs 5hp engine model number is 130202, I believe the model year is 1967,
I tried to start it the other day and it started fine with a bit of carb cleaner, it ran for about ten minutes and then just cut out, since then it will start (with carb cleaner) but then cut out straight away, I've put new fuel in, had the carb off, had it sitting in isoproponal all night long, blew out with compressed air, fitted a new diaframph and fuel tank gasket, but still no joy, don't know what to try next, can anybody shed some light, one last thing, I last had it running about eighteen months ago and it was fine then, one other thing how can I check to see if it is indeed getting any fuel up from the tank into the carb?, many thanks
I tried to start it the other day and it started fine with a bit of carb cleaner, it ran for about ten minutes and then just cut out, since then it will start (with carb cleaner) but then cut out straight away, I've put new fuel in, had the carb off, had it sitting in isoproponal all night long, blew out with compressed air, fitted a new diaframph and fuel tank gasket, but still no joy, don't know what to try next, can anybody shed some light, one last thing, I last had it running about eighteen months ago and it was fine then, one other thing how can I check to see if it is indeed getting any fuel up from the tank into the carb?, many thanks
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06-20-17, 02:07 PM
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Remove the spark plug, inspect it & smell it. If you smell gas, you need to squirt a few drops of oil in the cylinder & crank it a few times. Install a new plug & it should be fine.
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06-20-17, 02:35 PM
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Check to see if the pickup tube is still attached to the bottom of the carb and extending into the fuel tank. Make sure it isn't cracked where it connects to the carb, it can suck air at this point. Make sure the carb mounting o-ring or gasket is in place. Isopropyl alcohol doesn't clean a carburetor, you need carburetor cleaner.
#4
06-21-17, 12:20 PM
Thanks for your replays ,, I tried it again tonight,a couple of times, then took the plug out, I could not smell any petrol, nor was it wet, I put a drop of oil in the hole and pulled the rope and everything seemed to be working well, when I took the carb off I did not notice any splits in the tube which was connected to the carb, the tube itself seems to be made of brass or something similar,
Today I ordered a new spark plug, but I don't suppose that will make any difference if I cannot smell petrol on the plug?, any more ideas guys? Thanks
Today I ordered a new spark plug, but I don't suppose that will make any difference if I cannot smell petrol on the plug?, any more ideas guys? Thanks
#5
06-21-17, 01:37 PM
If that's one of those with the Pulsa-Jet carbs and the two (2) pick-up tubes inside the fuel tank, then sometimes the screens at the bottom of the pick-up tubes get clogged (especially the longer one) with debris from a dirty fuel tank.
Reminds me of one that ran just fine as long as the tank was ¾ full because then the fuel level was high enough to fill the little tank even when the longer tube was clogged (all it does is pump gas from the larger whole tank up into the little internal sump) and the short tube would take it from there.
It's best to have both screens clean; but the longer one gets clogged most frequently.
Reminds me of one that ran just fine as long as the tank was ¾ full because then the fuel level was high enough to fill the little tank even when the longer tube was clogged (all it does is pump gas from the larger whole tank up into the little internal sump) and the short tube would take it from there.
It's best to have both screens clean; but the longer one gets clogged most frequently.
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If it does have the second tube and the reservoir in the tank, make sure there is fuel in it and it is not stale. I have seen that reservoir rust out and not hold fuel which is where the carb draws from.
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I put a drop of oil in the hole and pulled the rope and everything seemed to be working well
#8
06-22-17, 12:09 AM
Yes it seemed to have good compression,also when i blew the carb out with compressed air, i could feel the air at the other end of the fuel filters from which i blew, if it is the resevoir full of rust what is the best way to clean it, thanks
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06-22-17, 04:02 AM
Here's a schematic for the carb on that 130202 . . . . I guess it's called a Vacu-Jet, and only has one pick-up tube:
https://www.partstree.com/parts/brig...uel-tank-assy/
You had it off the engine and out of the tank . . . . and it only had one brass tube ?
In 1967, those tanks were probably made of aluminum, and anything that looks like rust is probably a build-up of gasoline deposits/additives. Once removed from the engine, I've heard people will clean tanks by placing a few small stones inside and rattling the stones around to abrate the deposits off the interior and then wash with soap and water and then thoroughly dry.
Examine the bottom of the tube(s) and whether the screen is blocked. It looks like the Pick-up tubes vary in length (parts 611 or 612) depending uo whether your tank is 2 or 3 quarts? I have cleaned some screens by gently scrubbing with an old tooth brush; but if it's deteriorated, you need to press a new screen (part 454) into position. Mine have always been nylon tubes instead of brass; and the nylon tubes screw in while the brass tubes must be carefully pressed into position. And I don't know how one would run a pipe cleaner through the brass tube without removing it ?
Also, my manual specifically warns against allowing the nylon or plastic parts to remain soaking in solvent for any longer than ½ hour. You may want to replace any "O" rings, seeing as you've had the carb soaking overnight. But maybe the alcohol is safe ?
Those are my ideas . . . . worth about 2¢; others will probably have better ideas.
https://www.partstree.com/parts/brig...uel-tank-assy/
You had it off the engine and out of the tank . . . . and it only had one brass tube ?
In 1967, those tanks were probably made of aluminum, and anything that looks like rust is probably a build-up of gasoline deposits/additives. Once removed from the engine, I've heard people will clean tanks by placing a few small stones inside and rattling the stones around to abrate the deposits off the interior and then wash with soap and water and then thoroughly dry.
Examine the bottom of the tube(s) and whether the screen is blocked. It looks like the Pick-up tubes vary in length (parts 611 or 612) depending uo whether your tank is 2 or 3 quarts? I have cleaned some screens by gently scrubbing with an old tooth brush; but if it's deteriorated, you need to press a new screen (part 454) into position. Mine have always been nylon tubes instead of brass; and the nylon tubes screw in while the brass tubes must be carefully pressed into position. And I don't know how one would run a pipe cleaner through the brass tube without removing it ?
Also, my manual specifically warns against allowing the nylon or plastic parts to remain soaking in solvent for any longer than ½ hour. You may want to replace any "O" rings, seeing as you've had the carb soaking overnight. But maybe the alcohol is safe ?
Those are my ideas . . . . worth about 2¢; others will probably have better ideas.
#10
06-23-17, 02:36 AM
Thanks guys, i intend to have the carb off again this weekend and give it a good clean and hopefully we might get somewhere, i will give you a report then, once again thanks for your ideas
