Kilz Odorless used on a bathtub

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Old 07-09-09, 12:29 PM
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Kilz Odorless used on a bathtub

Hi, hopefully someone who knows a lot about this stuff can help me with this.

My mom used Kilz Odorless in the bathtub because it was discolored. She's done this several times before in the past but has had to do it again because the stuff eventually chips away.

Anyway, I was wondering, after the stuff dries, can it be harmful in any way when you are taking a shower? Like can it effect your skin? Or if you cut your foot or something and a piece of the paint chips off could it go in the wound and make you sick?

I've told my mom about this stuff I was worrying about, and she's decided not to use it anymore, however, I can't convince her to either get something to remove it or to figure something else out.

The bottom line is that I am worried about any possible health effects with the dried Kilz Odorless in the bathtub like that.
 
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Old 07-09-09, 12:43 PM
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No more of an issue than walking on a painted porch or deck.

Can't believe the finish even lasts more than a few weeks though.
 
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even though it's just a primer?
 
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The dried paint/primer shouldn't pose much [if any] of a health problem but I'm suprised that it has bonded as well as you say. Even coatings designed for tub and tile don't have a great adhesion record. 90% of the kilz will probably come off on it's own given a little time.

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Is she painting the tub or the walls around it?

Using a product like that in an actual bathtub is wrong in so many ways but it won't hurt you as there are no longer risky ingredients in paint.
 
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..... as long as there aren't any little kids that might try and eat the flakes but even then the paint is safer injested than the paint of yesteryear.
 
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Thanks guys for your answers.

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Is she painting the tub or the walls around it?

Using a product like that in an actual bathtub is wrong in so many ways but it won't hurt you as there are no longer risky ingredients in paint.
She has painted the tub with the stuff, but... from what I've read it contains things that are health risks. Like lungs, skin, nervous system etc.
 
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After it dries..it's a non issue..more chance of being hit by a car going to pick up your mail.

If the room is ventilated as the paint dries, then its all gone.
 
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Ok thanks.

Just another thing.

Not sure how reliable the people that work at the paint department at Lowe's and Home Depot and Ace Hardware are, but of all three I talked to, they all said that there could possibly be health issues when I asked them.

Maybe they don't know what they are talking about?
 
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It's very possible they don't know and said what you needed to hear..especially to CTA (Cover their A$$). As a general rule, the Ace guys should be better, but they aren't enviromental health specialists.

Like the old X-ray rumor, you get more rays from an average year in the sun than you do from the average persons X-rays.

If the paint dries and the room is ventilated..then there isn't an issue.
 
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forgot something

that same stuff, kilz odorless, was also applied to the ceiling in the bathroom (popcorn ceiling) and to the inside of the sink, not sure if that's a problem either.

ceiling was months ago, sink was a couple days ago
 
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You were told what you were told at stores based on the product in it's wet state and based on what the can would say also based on it's wet state.Knowledgeable personnel,which some you talked to were some not,but those with knowledge might have misunderstood the situation since the product is never used for and isn't designed to be used for what it was used for.Nobody would see it coming.

The kilz on the ceiling,the only use close to being correct is fine,but the sink will be like the tub,wrong and gone soon.
 
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OK, thanks a lot guys, really helpful cause I was stressed out really. But just this last thing I promise:

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if you cut your foot or something and a piece of the paint chips off could it go in the wound and make you sick?
Could this happen and you get sick from it in a significant way?

Also, do you guys really know a lot about this paint stuff and all?

thanks.
 
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I've been a professional painter since te early 70's. You don't want any foreign matter in an open wound including paint chips although I suspect a paint chip [other than lead based] wouldn't be near as bad as something organic. I worked with a guy about 30 yrs ago that had knee surgery and during the surgery they found and removed a small amount of paint that had been injected under his skin from an airless mishap many years previous.

Today's coatings are mainly toxic in their wet and drying [fumes] form. Fresh air circulation is always the best remedy. I'd be more concerned about the mess the peeling paint/primer makes than any health concerns. Lead based paints were only toxic if inhaled or ingested.

Kilz is a decent primer for the popcorn ceiling although it would benifit from a top coat of latex enamel.
 
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I've been in the hardware and home improvement business since I was 14 and I'm 49 now.

It is more likely you would have a problem from dirt or other contamination on a paint chip than from the chip itself if it contacted your body.Paint is a mixture of solvents,chemicals and mineral based pigments and in it's wet state that has some dangers but everything that would seriously harm you in dry paint was removed in the late 70's.

I've been selling Kilz products since it became a national brand and originated as something I wish it still was,a shellac based primer-sealer.

Your mom needs to start shopping where she can get good knowledgeable sales help and she needs to fully explain what she intends to do with a product and what her project is.There are products made to recoat tubs and sinks,they are two part epoxy based kits.No employee with product knowledge would have sold her any Kilz product had they known what she intended to do with it.
 
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don't know if I should really make a new topic for this question but:

I was reading about lead paint. Is it true that it's not really the ingestion of lead paint from a dry chip that is bad but the dust from the lead paint?
 
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Injesting lead chips can be harmfull - especially for kids!!!

Inhaling lead dust is probably more harmfull, mainly because it's harder to prevent. Not many adults would intentionally put a paint chip in their mouth.
 
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Hi again. I was just thinking, Kilz Odorless says it dries fast (like 1 hour). Is it ok to let it dry just this long or to wait longer?
 
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For what its being used as, I'd let it sit longer, probably overnight. In regular applications (wall, stains, etc) 1 hr should be plenty
 
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If you are still using this product on a tub or a sink dry time will have little impact on how well it performs as it is an incorrect product for the purpose and failure will occur regardless.

For it's normal use an hour is fine as it is designed to be able to take a top coat quickly.
 
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I meant like is 1 hour or so ok for it to dry and not have the dangers it has in its wet state. Or does 1 hour just have something to do only concerning the top coat, since in this case there isn't a top coat?
 
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I can see you are still very concerned. Here is their web site for oderless interior primer, there are some phone numbers to call, if needed: MSDS

Here is their list of paints and safety rules: Masterchem Industries, Inc. - KILZģ Primers

Here is a toll-free phone number to help you: Masterchem Industries, Inc. - FAQs Be safe, G
 
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If the product is dry to the touch and has had it's listed dry time pass then any wet state issues have passed.In your case there is a possibility that using it for unconventional purposes could effect dry time but dry to touch means it's no longer wet.That plus you are using it in an environment where any that got on you would be washed away by the water.

And that's my last contirbution to this thread.As a retail seller of the product it's just bugging me too much knowing how it's being used which is 100% wrong.
 
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