Paint Adhesion Problem

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Old 09-10-09, 10:12 AM
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Paint Adhesion Problem

We are using Sherwin Williams Harmony paint. We primed the wall with Sherwin Williams Harmony primer waited 24 hours before applying the paint. The paint is not adhering to the wall properly. If we go over an area a second time the paint comes off the wall. Also once the paint begins to dry within a few seconds the brush or roller pulls the paint off the wall. It's doing this before we finish covering the area we are working on. We have used this paint before and did not have this problem. The last time we used this paint we used a different primer, Sherwin Williams Duration under the Harmony paint. We had no problem with applying the Harmony primer and nothing was done to the walls once the primer was put on.
 

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Welcome to the forums!

Although I've applied many gallons of SWP coatings, I've not used much of the harmony line. Do you know what type of paint was on the wall previously? did it have a sheen? is it peeling down the original paint [taking off the fresh primer]? why was a primer needed?

It is possible that the wall either had a contamiment on it that didn't allow the primer to bond or the wrong type of primer was used if the previous coating caused adhesion issues. I'd go back to the store and discuss this with the SWP paint rep. They should be able to help you determine cause and fix.

There is a slight [very slight] possibility that you got a bad batch of paint. If that's the case you probably aren't the 1st one and they would know about it. Back in the 70's I sprayed primer on an exterior that was still wet 4 days later. Pittsburg Paints sent out some chemists who devised a solution.
 
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The primer adhered just fine. It's the color paint on top of the primer. We have tried a second gallon of a different color and it is doing the same (not on top of the first color, on another wall in the room). We primed only because we were changing color. I will go to SW tomorrow and discuss it with them although when I called today they were no help. Thanks for your help.
 
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I have become acquainted with this issue too, it seems to be tied to the low / no VOC paints. You can't double roll them. or the paint will pull off the wall.

The cure to this is you must wait for the paint to totally dry before re-rolling. Give it four hours (check the label for recoat time) or so before you re-roll.

There is a complaint form at the store you should be able to fill out. The higher-ups need to be aware of this issue.

I am not a paint chemist but I am guessing that there is a different surfactant system used with the low VOC paints, and this is probably the cause for this problem.
 
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Low and No VOC Paint

The SW people came out and looked at the room and said they have never seen this before. They gave us new paint, Duration this time, but it is doing the same thing. It seems low and no VOC paints dry faster than traditional paints. It really is difficult to deal with. Any suggestions for making it dry slower? I painted on a rainy day and that didn't help. It's a shame we really wanted to use low or no VOC paint, but will probably not in the future, I just don't want to go through this again.
 
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I'm not sure if I totally comprehend the problem Is the cut in paint being lifted when you use the roller over top of it? Are you cutting in and rolling 1 wall at a time?

Paint additives like flood's floetrol or XIM's extends will slow down the drying time of latex paints but generally they aren't needed when using flat latex paint.
 
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I am having the same exact problem with Sherwin Williams paint. We totally remodeled the inside of our house in 2008. I hired a paint contractor that only uses SW paint - promar 200 and super paint. It looked good and we had no problems - UNTIL we tried to re-paint.

It started out with my wife trying to put up some wallpaper under our kitchen cabinets. The glue was bubbling up the paint, I thought hmmm that's some strong glue. Even when I tried to repaint it - more of the first coat bubbled up.

Then I patched some water damage in the bathroom and went to repaint. Again the first coat of paint started bubbling up.

This is very frustrating, I have always used SW paint, but this is the first time I have ever seen it bubble up like this. Was there a bad batch of paint in 2008?
 
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Welcome to the forums John!

Sorry to hear of your troubles. I've used a lot of the promar 200 and don't ever recall an issue like that. What happens if you aggressively sand over the remodel paint job? I wonder if there was some type of contaminate on the wall that wasn't removed prior to painting [bad prep]
 
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