Behr vs Acylux (local manufacturer known for sloped roof waterproofing systems.). I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts on how these exterior paints compare as far as quality & performance or "theoretical" performance.

BEHR
Masonry, Stucco and Brick Paint
http://www.behr.com/cma/Behr/Marketi...70_PS_R811.pdf
Premium Elastomeric Masonry, Stucco and Brick Paint
http://www.behr.com/cma/Behr/Marketi...68_PS_R811.pdf

vs.

Acrylux
Premium Exterior
http://acrylux.com/storage/pdfs/Ext_Prem_Data_Sheet.pdf
Elasto Premium
http://acrylux.com/storage/pdfs/Elas...Data_Sheet.pdf

Thanks!

 

3 of the links don't work

I don't know a lot about Behr's coatings but they don't have a great reputation. I've never heard of Acrylux but sometimes local manufactured coatings are good and often formulated for that particular climate [but no guarantee that they are] It's always a good idea to get local input as the climate is one of the determining factors as to how well a particular coating will preform.

Normally masonry paints are a lesser grade of paint as it doesn't take as much for it to bond and stay bonded to the substrate. Often a masonry paint will fade sooner than latex house paint. The exception is elastomeric coatings which tend to last the longest of any coating applied to masonry. Because elastomeric paints are thicker they don't cover as much sq footage - will take more paint.

Exterior latex paints tend to do well in fla [even the cheap brands] but the cheaper coatings tend to fade a lot quicker than the better ones. While all exterior coatings have mildewcide not all of them have enough, you can add extra mildewcide to the paint if needed. Oil base coatings don't fare well in the intense fla sun.

I know we probably discussed it in your previous thread but it is important to remove all/any chalk that is currently on your exterior or chemically bind it up to insure long term adhesion of your new paint.

 

Thanks!
Sorry about that...I'm just not sure what to look for in these product info sheets so let me try the links another way. I'm also going to include current pricing for 5 gallon buckets of each to help compare price with performance.

BEHR
Masonry, Stucco and Brick Paint $69 per 5 gallon ($89 - $20 until 6/1) or $13.8/ga
Elastomeric Masonry, Stucco and Brick Paint $106 per 5 gallon ($126 - $20 until 6/1) or $21.2/ga

vs.

Acrylux
Exterior Premium $119.95 per 5 gallon or $23.99/ga
Elasto-Premium $119.95 per 5 gallon or $23.99/ga

FWIW, Behr Premium exterior flat & satin paints seem to have a pretty good reputation with Consumer Reports and that's good enough for me. I'm don't tend to go for CR's Top Rated but rather their "Best Buy" and Behr happens to be both. That said, these 2 specific Masonry coatings were not tested.

Acrylux seems to have a great reputation locally but not the cheapest. At least one local painting contractor who swears by BM says "Acrylux is better but I'm not driving to the next town to get it."

"I know we probably discussed it in your previous thread but it is important to remove all/any chalk that is currently on your exterior or chemically bind it up to insure long term adhesion of your new paint.".

 

I'm not always convinced that CR knows what they are talking about when it comes to primers/paints

Usually paint like most other things, is priced according to quality and while that is a significant price difference you need to remember that the additional cost is usually minor when compared to labor [even if it is your own] I have used cheaper coatings that actually cost more because they didn't cover as well or were harder to apply. I'm sure there are better coatings out there than Behr and I don't know anything about Acrylux.

 

Thanks!
What can I look for in the product data sheets to give me an idea of quality comparisons?

 

I don't know even though I've painted all my life, I've never paid a lot of attention to the data sheet. About the only time I've looked at them is when comparing a new coating to one I have history with. I suppose you could compare them to SWP's or BM's coatings and see how it shakes out.

 

I know a lot of the Pro's don't really care for Behr but I've used it quite a bit. Partly because of the military discount HD gives and partly because I'm a cheap ba@#%d.

We did our house interior with it in VA and the interior here as well as the exterior trim. In the properly prepped areas (I messed up in some places) it has held up very, very well. 7 years in the AZ sun and heat is a pretty good test I'd say. As to coverage on the interior, we've never made any real drastic color changes, so it's kind of hard to say. Plus, my wife does the painting, I do the prep and clean up. Neither of us have any experience with any high end products.

I'm sure much of the bad rep of Behr comes from those who didn't prep right or didn't receive the service they expected. And of course, those that have used more quality products might have an impact. I don't know for sure, but I'm sure a Pro who does all his business with a local paint store gets more personal attention than they do at a Big Box.

A guy that did some block fence work for me got all his stuff from True Value (even though HD was cheaper for the actual product), because they gave him a rolling credit account, delivered for free, unloaded the block by hand and even stacked it near the work area. You won't get that from HD or Lowes.

I've never tried any of their masonry coatings. The painters I've talked to say elastomeric all the way.

I do agree that in most cases, higher cost= higher quality. At the same time, when you can sell a lot more, you can reduce your profit margin and still make money.

 

That's true and if a paint store has poor service we look for another store provided they sell quality coatings.

You might not believe how much better quality paint preforms. Better coverage, less roller splatter, flows better off of the brush, etc. Might not be a big deal when you paint occasionally but when it's something you do everyday ...

 

My local SW store and the folks at Acrylux say the same thing...
"Contractors prefer it" but don't recommend I use it.

 

The paint store is recommending you not use elastomeric ?? did they say why?

It is a little harder to apply and doesn't go near as far as regular paint but elastomeric paints do a good job of waterproofing masonry and tend to hold up well.

 

My neighbor painted his whole stucco house with elastomeric using one of those cheapo Ryobi sprayers, backrolling as he went. Did about one side of the house at a time. Multiple coats overall. Turned out just fine.

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I'm surprised that a cheap airless would spray elastomeric..... or did he drastically thin it? I used to work for an outfit in fla that sprayed a good bit of elastomeric paint but they had big Graco 733s and even then we had to remove the filters when we sprayed elastomeric.

 

Dunno about the thinning. He probably did, though he was some sort of engineer so maybe he turbocharged the Ryobi...lol. I know he used a heck of a lot of paint. Of course then the plant he worked at shut down and he had to move. Bet he regretted all the money and time he spent on it.

 

Thanks!
The only thing they really say is like you said...
"It is a little harder to apply and doesn't go near as far as regular paint".

 

@ Gunguy45...
Thanks!
And for the nice link, too!

 

Elastomeric paints are slightly harder to apply and don't cover near as much ground per gallon. I don't always use elastomeric paint over masonry but mainly because the budget doesn't allow for it - there is a little more labor involved and pretty good increase in the coating bill.

 

I saw some guys using a cheap pump too. It was a Graco, but the kind where you just have the hose going into the pail, not the actual stem/big pump.
Made a huge mother ****ing mess of my walls.(they were fireproofing the metal deck).

On a more recent job they were using the same product with a bigger airless and it worked just fine. So it can be done!

 

The Graco 733 which is one of the biggest pumps made uses a flexible hose [sometimes set in a 55 gal drum] and not the rigid snout. I own 2 Titan 660s, the older one has the hose and the newer one the rigid snout but both have the same gpm [about .7] The 733 has a 3 gpm rating.

I've never attempted to spray elastomeric thru my little Titans because it's beyond the specs. I've sprayed a lot of it thru 733s as an employee. The airless specs will tell you the biggest tip the pump will support and the label on the coating will state the required tip size needed to spray the coating. You can thin coatings so a smaller pump will spray them but generally if a coating is thinned more than 10% it adversely affects it's abilities to dry/adhere properly and how long it will wear.

 

Sorry for the thread jack, but what comes in 55 gallon drums?

 

Probably for major housing projects and industrial construction. Oh, and in shipyards (I know that for certain). In fact an old 3 story HS that had been converted to housing for sailors while their ships were in for overhaul was painted from 55 gal drums. I remember seeing the guys doing it.

Also...55 gallon drums? - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum and White - Premium One Coat 100% Acrylic Barn & Fence Paint - 55 Gallon*::*Barn & Fence Paint*::*FarmPaint.com

I imagine on a big farm, they would just put it on a trailer and drive down the fence line.

 

I used to work for an outfit that went right to paint plant every morning where we'd pick up several drums of paint. We'd also pour paint from 5s into drums so we didn't have to stop and refill on big jobs. Many contractors will pour their paint into garbage cans for the same reason.