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Does "peeling out" damage transmission?


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11-06-04, 09:02 AM   #1  
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Does "peeling out" damage transmission?

Hi

We have a '96 Plymouth Voyager (front wheel drive) which needed a
transmission repair about a month or two ago. Apparently a bolt had gone
through the case at the time. We took it to a transmission specialist and
decided to go for a used case and rebuilt differential. We were told by
them that we had a 3 year, 30000 mile warranty on the rebuilt transmission.

Unfortunately the transmission died again the other night while my stepson
was driving the van. Once again a bolt shot through the case. We took it
back to the transmission place and they told us that the only way that this
could possibly take place was if somebody was spinning the tires and peeling
out. They said that that was the only possible way that this bolt, which is
apparently welded, could come loose and shoot through the case. They also
said that they could see that there was wear and "sticky patches" on one of
the tires which was "proof" that somebody had been spinning the tires and
peeling out.

Thankfully they said that they would repair the transmission at no cost,
however, they would not honor the warranty after this repair. My question
is are they justified in doing this or is it possible that a poorly welded
bolt could have come loose and caused the damage. My stepson denies peeling
out and the van is driven by my wife most of the time who is definitely not
peeling out.

I'd appreciate any input or advice on whether or not to try and get these
guys to honor their initial warranty.

TIA

Mel

 
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11-06-04, 12:03 PM   #2  
If the statement they made were true every Chrysler built van driven in the winter would need a new trans every time it snowed.If they gave you a warranty in writing hold them to the agreement of 3 years 30,000 miles unless they can prove in court it was intentional abuse.Which is most likely stated in the warranty agreement they should have given you.If your stepson is doing neutral drops it could be the cause.That's when you rev the engine in neutral and drop it in drive to peel out.Who was driving the van the first time the trans failed?I would tell the stepson if the tranny has another bolt come through the case he will be in deep do do.Sounds as if he is being less than fully honest to me.


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11-06-04, 04:30 PM   #3  
Posted By: Melsoc My question
is are they justified in doing this or is it possible that a poorly welded
bolt could have come loose and caused the damage. My stepson denies peeling
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I always denied it too. That doesn't mean it's not happening. I'd bet my bottom dollar he's abusing the helll out of it and the tranny shop is the victom in it all. I think they are being more than generous to cover obvious abuse this time.

 
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11-06-04, 05:51 PM   #4  
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I always denied it too. That doesn't mean it's not happening. I'd bet my bottom dollar he's abusing the helll out of it and the tranny shop is the victom in it all. I think they are being more than generous to cover obvious abuse this time. .......Desi501

I don't necessarily disagree with you. In fact you're probably right. Is this something that the tranny shop can prove without a doubt though? How do I know that they just didn't do a good job the first time they repaired it?

Thanks again for your replies.

Mel

 
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11-06-04, 06:05 PM   #5  
Why don't you keep him from driving it......You did say it broke when he had it. What about the first time, did he have it then?

 
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11-06-04, 06:50 PM   #6  
Posted By: Melsoc Is this something that the tranny shop can prove without a doubt though? How do I know that they just didn't do a good job the first time they repaired it?
Mel
Right now they don't have to prove anything. It's their warranty to administer any way they see fit. If you don't agree with them, it's up to you to convince a court. That transmission didn't just wear out. It had a catastrophic failure. It takes extreme force to break things in that manner. Only a teenager can find a way to excerpt that amount of force.

 
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11-06-04, 09:31 PM   #7  
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Posted By: toyotaman11769 Why don't you keep him from driving it......You did say it broke when he had it. What about the first time, did he have it then?
Well my wife and I are seriously considering that option....and yes he was driving it when it happened the first time.

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11-06-04, 09:36 PM   #8  
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Posted By: Desi501 Right now they don't have to prove anything. It's their warranty to administer any way they see fit. If you don't agree with them, it's up to you to convince a court. That transmission didn't just wear out. It had a catastrophic failure. It takes extreme force to break things in that manner. Only a teenager can find a way to excerpt that amount of force.
Fair enough. I guess I should be thankful that they are repairing it this time at no cost to me....

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11-07-04, 12:44 AM   #9  
Don't you think we are forming a pattern here? It's only broken when he's been driving it. If it's the pin for the spider gears or the diff case it's abuse.

If he's spinning the tires there will be small grooves around the tire, very distinctive and grounds for being denied. Most likely would stand up in court.

 
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11-07-04, 04:33 AM   #10  
Yes the wicked stepchild is guilty.You would think if he destoyed it once already he would have been smart enough not to do it again.I'm sure his freinds are impressed.Lol Tell him to get a job and buy his own car pay the insurance and repairs.That may slow the cowboy down a little unless he finds a job that pays real good then he can make a faster car .

 
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11-07-04, 09:55 AM   #11  
FWIW we tow Caravans and Voyagers to the tranny shops ALL the time because there are so many of them on the road. To the best of my knowledge we have never towed one in that had actually spit parts through the case (although in fairness we wouldn't necessarily know); they're normally going in for the garden variety type failures - slipping, lost gears, noisy, no drive, etc. Trying to imagine how cool you could look peeling out in a Voyager......

And, of course, the Tow Guy never EVER abused his Dad's car when he was a teenager!

 
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11-07-04, 05:39 PM   #12  
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Well thank you all for your input. I've certainly been able to learn a few things and have a few laughs along the way (eg "wicked stepchild").

Anyway thanks again guys. I know where to come if I have car questions in the future.

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11-08-04, 08:33 AM   #13  
Posted By: davo If your stepson is doing neutral drops it could be the cause.That's when you rev the engine in neutral and drop it in drive to peel out.
I second this assumption. I don't think just normal peeling out is that harmful on your tranny.

 
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11-08-04, 09:23 AM   #14  
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if i was a teenager i would not be peeling out in a mimi van not cool, to be noticed that way.and a front wheel drive no less i would question the mechanic

 
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11-08-04, 11:31 AM   #15  
Posted By: kryptonite75140 if i was a teenager i would not be peeling out in a mimi van not cool, to be noticed that way.and a front wheel drive no less i would question the mechanic
When I was a teenager, I peeled out with a riding lawn mower... Because it was fun, not because I was trying to be cool.

 
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11-09-04, 04:58 AM   #16  
Posted By: the_tow_guy Trying to imagine how cool you could look peeling out in a Voyager......

That's a tough one to picture. I of course use to do neutral slams in my moms 6 cyl 4door Nova. That was even cheesy.

On topic though to add. As a teenager I will now admit that my 1st car which was a 79' Pinto. I destroyed my tranny. Mom payed big dollars for the old Aamco lifetime tranny rebuild. I had to have it rebuilt 3 times. On the 3rd time he called my mother and myself in and showed me how the gears were practically welded together. My problem was dropping it into low gear and hot rodding that poor thing like it was a true race car.

I doubt the guy is lying, cause I'm sure neutral slams would shear a bolt off with no problem.


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11-09-04, 03:46 PM   #17  
Look for little tiny chunks and bits of rubber on the fenders behind the tires. that's where my tires end up after a good day at the track with my mustang.

 
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