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04-12-05, 09:37 AM   #1  
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frame rusting!!!

Hi I am 14 and I got a 1986 Isuzu trooper 2 for my birthday. And the frame seems to be rusting through (not just a little bit) and I am wondering the best way to weld it back together. HELP

 
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04-12-05, 02:28 PM   #2  
I'm guessing you live somewhere in the snow belt? No cure for a rusted out frame. From time to time we have to tow a vehicle that has broken either a frame piece or a suspension part, typically a ball joint. As soon as you look underneath and see the rust you can tell the car spent it's youth in the snow and salty roads before retiring to the Sunshine State. When the corrosion has reached that point the vehicle is an accidnet waiting to happen.

Two points:

1. You can't weld rust.
2. You shouldn't weld an automobile frame, anyway.


Measure it with a micrometer; cut it with an ax.

 
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04-13-05, 01:50 PM   #3  
it may be able...

...to be repaired...but should be evaluated by a body shop that uses ICAR repair standards. don't try to fix it yourself.

 
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04-14-05, 12:03 PM   #4  
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actualy I live in South western minnesota. down by worthington if you know where that is and my dad has driven it to and from work for the past 5 years and the only way we found out that it was rusting was the gas tank fell out. hehe.thats usually not a good sign.

 
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04-14-05, 01:35 PM   #5  
Can you legally drive at age 14 in Minnesota?

 
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04-14-05, 01:42 PM   #6  
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no you can't but my dad thought it would take me about two years to fix it up.

 
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04-14-05, 08:06 PM   #7  
Posted By: jonnyd ...the...way we found out that it was rusting was the gas tank fell out. hehe.thats usually not a good sign.
...not usually no...

Yeah you'll need a pro to check it out, or at least someone of pro caliber to give you an opinion

It's very common for these frames to rust out here in New England
You can't even find an '80s II that's not a goner around here

 
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04-15-05, 06:32 AM   #8  
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The passanger side is almost perfect but on the rear drivers side the wheel is about to come off so my dad figured to weld some steel strips of 3 inch plateing to the rusting spot to reiforce the frame and hopefully that will keep it togetther for awile at least.


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The frame will fall apart,
all the wheels will be gone,
but the engine will still be running.

 
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04-15-05, 07:02 AM   #9  
bad idea...

...really bad idea.

 
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04-15-05, 09:16 AM   #10  
jonnyd,

I hate to break it to you but your gift vehicle is only a parts car.
Rust that is as bad as it is will never be safe with simple patches.
Frame repairs can be done but if you are looking for an economical vehicle this is not it.
My suggestion would be to either find the same vehicle with a secure frame and make two outta one, or sell it for parts and invest the money into a go-cart or something affordable for yourself today.

This vehicle is a gonner.


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04-15-05, 10:35 AM   #11  
Check with a welding/fabricating shop. I had a rear unibody fabricated for my old Maverick. It held up very well, it was made from 2x3 box iron. All of the frame was replaced from about the doors back.

 
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04-16-05, 05:57 AM   #12  
I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but now that Greg opened the door I'll add that I'm in total agreement with him. Trying to cure terminal cancer of the frame is probably not something you are going to want to get into and if you do attempt a repair two outcomes are likely: (1) The repair will be expensive and/or time consuming, and (2) It will be unsafe.


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04-16-05, 07:00 AM   #13  
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Posted By: Daniel Wachtel it was made from 2x3 box iron. All of the frame was replaced from about the doors back.
that is basicly what i will have to do ecept that i will only have to replace the drivers side

 
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04-17-05, 02:58 PM   #14  
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yeah me and my brother would only use it for hunting and fishing. but what good is it if its falling apart.

 
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04-17-05, 02:58 PM   #15  
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ill try to get some pics up if i can.

 
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04-17-05, 03:48 PM   #16  
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Trooper Pics

here are some pictures I took
http://troopertwo.50megs.com/photo.html

<img src="http://troopertwo.50megs.com/images/trooper_017.jpg">


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04-17-05, 03:50 PM   #17  
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and you call it a parts car

 
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04-17-05, 07:14 PM   #18  
I'm sorry, I apologize.
My suggestion that your vehicle be used as a parts car wasn't meant as an insult.
After having seen the pictures I can see how you could be motivated to try to fix it....................It's a cute set of wheels.

I do not do autobody for a living but have repaired many rusty vehicles.
I can tell you without a doubt that repairs made to rusty steel will not last.

Having said this, it might be possible to repair what you have.
You would need to remove the entire body and then would need to sandblast the entire frame to check for pitting.
This is what it would take to then decide whether or not you have enough good metal to work with.
This would also allow you to be half ready to put the good parts onto another frame if it is necessary to do so.


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04-18-05, 06:05 AM   #19  
My 2 cents

That frame looks like toast. You have to consider it is the main structural part and holds everything together everything from gas tanks to rear axle to steering components. That is just the rust you can see. Chances are it might be rusting from the inside out as well.
You say the gas tank already fell out? Yikes what is next?
What does the sides of your truck look like? The hood looks good but I did not see any side shots.
From what I know the wheel wells and fenders rust with all that salt you guys have.
I would sorry never buy a car from the North states just for that reason.
But if you really want to fix it up (it will cost) get a frame from someplace besides up north.
I hate to see you crash because of a part breaking off your truck.
Is it really cost effective to fix? Consider the Kelly blue book on your truck is about 13 hundred dollars and that is with no rust.

 
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04-18-05, 08:44 AM   #20  
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no offense taken. The frame is very near perfect in the front and passenger side only te driver side rear corner is in bad shape.

 
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04-18-05, 09:58 AM   #21  
jonnyd,

I hate to be negative about your vehicle but there is a serious safety concern here.

Without a doubt the only way you will be able to say that the rest of the frame is solid is to strip the body and sandblast it to see what the rest of the frame looks like.

I'm sorry that the advice you are getting is not what you want to hear but your vehicle is beyond a quick patch job.


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04-18-05, 10:06 AM   #22  
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yeah I know That it is not a quick job and am planing to sandblast it.

 
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