F100 1964 problem
#1
04-16-07, 03:37 PM
F100 1964 problem
I've got this '64 F100, w/292 manual trans. Always ran great. I haven't started it for 4-5 years.The last time I started it to move it for the garbage pickup.It fired right up I moved it about 50 feet. weeks after that it wouldn't start...just cranked slow and hard. It would turn over slow like it was working hard but wouldn't turn over fast enough to start.So I got a new battery..nope. Took the starter off had it tested .Its ok. Got new battery cables.nope.new solenoid nope.Thought maybe the engine froze, but when I push it it turns over.Anyhow I'm looking to get it started ,maybe for my 16 yr old son to use. How should I go about preparing to start it? And does anybody have any ideas on why it wouldnt start?
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04-16-07, 04:04 PM
I'd start with new points, condensor and rotor button. A complete tune up wouldn't hurt! If the engine isn't turning freely you might want to squirt a little oil down each cylinder.
Have you checked to see if the points are getting fire?
Have you checked to see if the points are getting fire?
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04-25-07, 11:32 AM
Thanks for that advice Mark. What I found out was that the water pump was froze up ..so I'm in the process of replacing it and several related components. So it may be a few days before I try to start the engine.Theres a lot of rust in the cooling system which needs to be flushed. I guess the frozen pump was stopping the engine from turning over..thus the grinding noise.
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04-25-07, 03:18 PM
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04-25-07, 05:15 PM
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Your gasoline isn't exactly fresh, either, so be prepared for fuel system problems from the varnish it's turned into in some locations.
Been sitting static for 4-5 years, MV; got a suspicion it looks like one of those vehicles they START with on "Overhaulin'".
Been sitting static for 4-5 years, MV; got a suspicion it looks like one of those vehicles they START with on "Overhaulin'".
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04-25-07, 05:40 PM
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worth fixing
It is worth fixing thats for sure I would for sure get rid of the old gas to start with. and a oil change and all fluid change.
If your kid does not want it I know an old guy that does.
If your kid does not want it I know an old guy that does.
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04-25-07, 05:59 PM
The gas tank should be fairly easy to remove so it would probably be a good idea to flush it out. My old ford tractor sat a long time before I bought it and you wouldn't believe the fuel nightmares I had until I was finally able to remove all the "varnish" from the tank.
Did it sit 4-5 yrs with water instead of anti freeze in the system?
"1964 classic pickup you sure you want a teenager to drive such a nice truck? * If your kid does not want it I know an old guy that does."
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I second that
btw - welcome to the diy forums!
Did it sit 4-5 yrs with water instead of anti freeze in the system?
"1964 classic pickup you sure you want a teenager to drive such a nice truck? * If your kid does not want it I know an old guy that does."
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I second that btw - welcome to the diy forums!
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04-26-07, 04:56 AM
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As mentioned, I would get a fresh tank of gas, it probably has water in it from sitting so long, plus I would change the spark plugs, they are most likely rusted and maybe try some thinner motor oil if it still turns over slow...
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04-26-07, 10:24 AM
Yeah...Mark when I drained the radiator, which I removed, it had a very weak antifreeze mixture..so rust is an issue . How to deal with?
The oil looks clean..how do I clean varnish out of the gas tank? or is it a job for a professional?
I cleaned all plugs and put a little oil in each cylinder.
I'm not sure my son could even turn the wheel on this truck ..no power anything.It would be fun letting him try ..plus the 4 on the floor would be a challenge.
The overhaul idea is looming..
The oil looks clean..how do I clean varnish out of the gas tank? or is it a job for a professional?
I cleaned all plugs and put a little oil in each cylinder.
I'm not sure my son could even turn the wheel on this truck ..no power anything.It would be fun letting him try ..plus the 4 on the floor would be a challenge.
The overhaul idea is looming..
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04-26-07, 11:07 AM
I hope your truck has been in an above freezing location, if the water froze you could be looking at some serious work. I don't know that there is any good way to get the rust out of the motor other than cleaning what you can get to. Some of it will wear away while operating the motor with coolant.
Ideally you would take the tank to someone who can steam clean it for you. With a bit of luck you might can clean it with a water hose and maybe some detergent or other cleaner. After cleaning, dry the tank the best you can, then add some gas or kerosene and slosh it around, empty and reinstall.
While the engine oil may be clean I wouldn't trust it too far. It may have obsorbed moisture and lost some of it's lubricating properties over time.
Ideally you would take the tank to someone who can steam clean it for you. With a bit of luck you might can clean it with a water hose and maybe some detergent or other cleaner. After cleaning, dry the tank the best you can, then add some gas or kerosene and slosh it around, empty and reinstall.
While the engine oil may be clean I wouldn't trust it too far. It may have obsorbed moisture and lost some of it's lubricating properties over time.
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04-26-07, 02:21 PM
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recore
Recore that radiatior it can be done on that old style radiatior. No plastic in that one.
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04-26-07, 03:29 PM
None of the radiator shops around here will recore a radiator anymore. The last one that would sold out and retired. They all want to sell you a new radiator at about double what you can get one for. Nobody rods them out anymore either. With the correct dieminsons you should be able ot buy/order a replacement.
If the radiator don't leak, I'd save the money for now. If it isn't plugged you should be able to flush [and back flush] the majority of the crud out.
If the radiator don't leak, I'd save the money for now. If it isn't plugged you should be able to flush [and back flush] the majority of the crud out.
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04-26-07, 03:45 PM
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Vintage ford parts
You should be able to get what you need for your Ford. They have vintage Ford parts were you can buy anything you need for the truck from weather stripping to water pumps etc.
You can restore it to like show room new. ( I would). Yea I would drive it even with no power steering. A rust free 1964 is hard to find but being from Arizona you have a winner I bet.
You can restore it to like show room new. ( I would). Yea I would drive it even with no power steering. A rust free 1964 is hard to find but being from Arizona you have a winner I bet.
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04-30-07, 09:30 AM
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Getting parts and prepping to put it all together..as time allows .Thanks for the advice .I'll keep you posted . By the way this truck doesn't have the original 3 on the tree tranny it was modified with a VERY low geared 4 speed. I rarely used the first gear..but would start off in 2nd .It needs a lot of care in the doors and windows areas. I've been checking out some of those sources for parts.
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04-30-07, 10:22 AM
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Fuel system clean, and carb rebuild would be my first job.
I've had small engine appliance sit that long. The tank, lines, and fuel bowl on the carb were nothing but hardened varish.
I've had small engine appliance sit that long. The tank, lines, and fuel bowl on the carb were nothing but hardened varish.
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04-30-07, 01:32 PM
Dennis Carpenter Ford Reproductions is a good source of hard to find parts although there might be a good supplier closer to you.
2nd, 3rd, & 4th are often the same as the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd on a standard 3 speed. 1st, often called granny or bull dog is mainly for when you are pulling a heavy load.
2nd, 3rd, & 4th are often the same as the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd on a standard 3 speed. 1st, often called granny or bull dog is mainly for when you are pulling a heavy load.
#19
04-30-07, 03:22 PM
ALL of the ABOVE. My car is 7 yrs older than your truck, but if yours is still running, guard it carefully. Run it once a month(or so), until it is warm. Change the fluids at least once a year, flush the brake system. And if possible, keep it under cover. That truck will not depreciate if you do this, unlike that modern sedan in the driveway.
#20
05-23-07, 09:13 AM
She lives !
I started the '64 F100 yesterday and ran it for about an hour. Even drove it around the neighborhood. I ended up with a new water pump,hoses,fuel pump,fuel regulator,rebuilt the carb,new battery,had radiator tested,ignition gear, lots more to do...so far I've got around $300 invested...Thanks for all the advice everyone. My son likes it better than the 2000 Quest ...for sure ! I'm toying with a frame up rebuild in the years ahead.
#21
05-23-07, 11:45 AM
Hard to beat cranking up an old ford and taking her for spin
You can spend a lot of $ fixing up old vehicles but if you enjoy working on and driving the old rides - it's money well spent although the wife might not agree Mine doesn't understand why one man would need so many tools but then I don't understand how one little woman can need sooo many clothes and shoes 
You can spend a lot of $ fixing up old vehicles but if you enjoy working on and driving the old rides - it's money well spent although the wife might not agree
Mine doesn't understand why one man would need so many tools but then I don't understand how one little woman can need sooo many clothes and shoes 
#22
05-25-07, 11:23 AM
High Anxiety
My wife tried to get me to sell my truck for years as it sat there. She called it a "Cat Motel".and a "Planter". But I just couldn't part with it....
Last night I had a dream I was driving the 'ol truck around Chicago and the brakes weren't working ...hmm....maybe I should go through 'em !
Last night I had a dream I was driving the 'ol truck around Chicago and the brakes weren't working ...hmm....maybe I should go through 'em !
