1999 Dodge Grand Caravan w ABS - MAY NEED BRAKES BLED

Reply

  #1  
Old 04-26-12, 06:42 AM
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 133
1999 Dodge Grand Caravan w ABS - MAY NEED BRAKES BLED

I looked into the Haynes manual that includes the 3.3L and my make and model year. I take that ABS light shows during start-up means I have an ABS brake system. Manual says I need to take van to dealer if brake bleeding needs be done. I suspect it is needed because pads were replaced by a Newburgh Monroe dealership and master cylinder reservoir was full to extent that my attempts to remove filler cap indicated that system had enough pressure to push fluid out despite brake pedal being spongy and getting alarmingly close to floor when braking.
Manual read that bleeding needed be done by a vehicle dealership with a DRBII scan tool - not the sort of thing that one purchases for DIY due to its over $2,000 used asking price on e-bay.
 
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 04-26-12, 11:19 AM
ukrbyk's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: USA/ Pacific NW
Posts: 3,301
yeah, as some ABS systems must have valves operated electronically to properly run fluid through ABS module. My 07 Camry is same way.
yet again, my 99 Silverado has ABS and I had it bled the old way several times, without any repercussions.
I did some research on this, because of my Camry. Basically, on older cars with ABS, you simply accelerate her somewhere in a rural street, and then slam on brake pedal with both feet; this should be repeated several times, and, allegedly, it bleeds module.
Then I found article about newer ABS systems, with electronic actuators and valves, and those must be bled by dealership with scanner. what it does, it logs into ABS module and runs all those advanced things, bleeding it.
I'd suggest going to a reputable Dodge forum, and asking owners what they did.
 
  #3  
Old 04-26-12, 11:38 AM
lawrosa's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 17,607
If the pistons were only pushed back you probably don't need to bleed.

The module can be bleed independently, but I would have to look at your specific manual.

Did they turn the rotors?

Spongy brakes are often cause from not turning the rotors and the brake pads need to be set.

I don't often turn my rotors unless there is warping or big gouges.

It takes 100 or so miles to set the pads and the pedal to come back up.

Mike NJ
 
  #4  
Old 04-26-12, 03:48 PM
Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 49
When the brake pads were replaced they pushed the caliper pistons back in the fluid from the calipers goes back into the master cylinder causing it to be overfilled do you have four wheel disc brakes or front disc with drum rear brakes. Also did you have low pedal and spongy brakes before brake pads were replaced.if bleeding is needed the proper way is to use drb to command valves in abs to open to purge all air from system
 
  #5  
Old 04-26-12, 09:51 PM
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 133
Van was in custody of son-in-law for a couple years. In return my daughter had use of one of his mother's spare cars.

What more can I write about this son-in-law who left the two rear seats at the former residence of my daughter AFTER SHE HAD MOVED AWAY, GIVING HIM INSTRUCTIONS TO TURN THE VAN OVER TO ME?

He was supposed to bring the van over ready for inspection so he replaced the master brake cylinder and brought the van without dealing with the EGR valve - for which he brought me a quote from one of his contacts. He claimed the EGR valve to have been BEHIND THE ENGINE and beyond his skills as a Toyota mechanic.

The first chore I had was replacing the battery he had killed. Next I had to get insurance and register the van - as he had taken the plates and scraped off the inspection sticker.

Then my neighbor, a former auto DIYer, did the EGR valve switch-out once I had gotten the information here.

According to my daughter, the clock and radio were working when he was allowed custody.

By the time he brought the van to me, they were not working. That project and the odometer/speedometer that USUALLY works will have to wait

My guess is that he purchased whatever servicing was cheapest - having saved the insurance money from the accident he got the van damaged in to buy himself an unrelated amusement.

Will provide further information when I again locate the bill from the Newburgh, NY Monroe. - I believe that only the front pads were done as it would have been unlike him to have paid to get the rotors turned.

He is just that kind. If he had been selling the van, I would have gotten one elsewhere.

It is heart warming to know that he will have to drive 4 hours each way to show up at my daughter's. He is a highly dependent sponge that my daughter is better off without.
 
  #6  
Old 04-27-12, 05:49 PM
ukrbyk's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: USA/ Pacific NW
Posts: 3,301
Donate thing to Goodwill and write it off on taxes.
 
  #7  
Old 04-28-12, 03:13 AM
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 133
REPLY TO: Donate thing to Goodwill and write it off on taxes.

I am retired and do not think I have enough "income" to truly benefit from a tax write-off.

Besides - one cannot take a write-off on cigarette taxes, gasoline taxes, real estate taxes and all those other taxes that were imposed to keep from taxing the 1% to pay for the excesses of services they receive.
Not to mention the tax dollar write-offs they are given.

Have your read:
Gas, other fuels are top U.S. export
Next time you roll up to the pump and have to dig deeper to fill your tank, ask yourself:
Do these exporters really need license to rape this continent and its shorelines?
OR
Should these exporters be required to meet an obligation to pay for the protection they receive here as versus to uncertainty they would face by operating in the next Argentina?; Iraq?; Iran?; or, next National Socialist or Communist nation?

I would certainly not object as strongly if that money was going into the development of solar powered transportation as versus being pocketed or used to purchase politicians.

As to the result of donating the THING:
Bad advice.
If I donate the van:
Local sales tax is 8.25%. That is $82.50/$1,000 cost of replacement.

Used 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan SE Minivan Costs, Depreciation, Ownership, Insurance, Maintenance & More - Motor Trend Magazine

1999 Dodge Grand Caravan - Average Resale Value: $4,737

Now Add $4,737 + Average Sales Tax (over $390.80) = $5,128+

Your turn - Explain how tax write off creates savings for me - even in light of needed repairs and things we cannot do ourselves to MAINTAIN THE THING as our means of transportation.

To improve on gas consumption would require an even more expensive van. No???
 
  #8  
Old 04-29-12, 07:04 AM
ukrbyk's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: USA/ Pacific NW
Posts: 3,301
man, don't be offended. sorry if I caused this. simple math shows that that car will drain you poor on repairs. that was honest suggestion. as much as I work on mine, at some point, it is better to rid of sucker, than to keep feeding the leach.
sell it as is, or even simply donate to someone and maybe make one's life a bit better. auction it. there are many ways to decently dispose of a money pit vehicle.
 
  #9  
Old 04-29-12, 05:22 PM
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 133
Please send me your calculations. I flunked SIMPLE math after my college graduation. Now I deal only with facts and figures when not trying to make gold from another's trash - that is what a Recycler does.


The battery my son-in-law killed has been replaced
I got liability insurance and - if a tree falls on it - I am doing without the optional add-ons.
It is registered and has new plates.
The EGR valve is a new one.
I am waiting to see if the O2 sensor has not done a Lazarus of Bethany.
My wife and I can accept the lack of rear seating.
I have a AA battery powered clock that I can drive around with.
That the radio does not work galls me but it likely helps keep my attention focused on my driving.
The odometer/speedometer usually works and, when it does not, I do not try to beat anyone to the next traffic light.
The brake pedal play makes me nervous so I do try to get a good look into the muffler of the driver in front of me.
What are the expenses that will drain me poor? I am a little near-sighted about them.
What should be the cost a getting the brake system bled properly?
What makes this van a "Money Pit Vehicle"?
 
  #10  
Old 04-29-12, 05:36 PM
lawrosa's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 17,607
Seems like you have a personal issue of some kind and I think ukrbyk was basically telling you to cut your loses. That's just my opinion though.

I read the post a few times and that's how I interpret it.

It is heart warming to know that he will have to drive 4 hours each way to show up at my daughter's. He is a highly dependent sponge that my daughter is better off without.
This is really not a bashing contest and we were all here offering free advice. I feel you are taking this the wrong way. The mods and the regular posters here are all volunteer and do not get paid for this.

If I had a car from my daughters X I would probably donate it, because I would want no reminders.

We can all be friends here.

IMO this thread should be closed, but I am not a mod.



Mike NJ
 
  #11  
Old 04-29-12, 06:06 PM
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 133
The van was my daughter's. That he took such good care of it while lending her one of his mother's cars - and using that "generosity" as a sword over her head - has depreciated its value but not the cost of replacing it. If it is a "Money Pit" I should take the advice. First I would like to LEARN why I should expect it to be a "Money Pit".
Years ago I gave my neighbor an Olds Cutlass Supreme that was supporting mechanics that, for some reason, were unable to solve a valve clatter problem. He stripped down the engine, located and corrected the valve problem, and enjoyed its use for several years there-after.
I have yet to find that, with the help of my neighbor, I cannot find economy in keeping the van.

If someone knows something of which I am unaware, please share the knowledge. If the suggestion to get rid of the van is based on reading something into what I have written - rather than what I have written - please check the facts.

Again I ask:
What are the expenses that will drain me poor?
What should be the cost a getting the brake system bled properly?
What will make this van a "Money Pit Vehicle"?
 
  #12  
Old 04-29-12, 06:37 PM
lawrosa's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 17,607
What are the expenses that will drain me poor?

Book value on your vehicle is $2700 in the condition you state. Once repairs start adding up to or above that value then the term money pit is often used in the auto industry.

What should be the cost a getting the brake system bled properly?
Take it to a mechanic. They can tell you. Last I checked It was $100 hr plus parts with a 10% write up.

What will make this van a "Money Pit Vehicle"?


See above.




Mike NJ












 
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Display Modes