2000 ford suv won't start

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2000 ford suv won't start

its not the battery, the key won't engage and the "theft" light keeps flashing
 
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Do you have the right key? Can you look into the mechanism and tell if anything has been jammed into it? I'd have to go out and check one of my vehicles but I think the 'theft light' flashes all the time until the vehicle is started.

Make of the SUV might also be helpful
 
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Yes, it is the right key and nothing is stuck in the ignition.
Actually it is a 2002 Ford Explorer, all wheel drive.
 
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Old 11-16-12, 06:03 AM
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When you say won't engage, do you mean won't turn or turns but won't make the starter crank?
 
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The key turns, (instrument panel turns on) but wont crank.

The dealer said something I have never heard of: that it could be a disconnect between the electronic key and the steering wheel.
 
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im still with marksr. if you have two keys try the other one. but you must wait 5-10 mins after it didnt start with one. also does your windows work? if not check your fuses. these are bad about wires breaking in the drivers door jam and blowing the fuse(s) to the body control modal.
 
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On a ford there are two reasons the the car will not start and the theft light is flashing, one is that the module the controls PATS " Passive Anti-Theft System" does not recognized the code coming from the transponder in the key( the key needs to be reprogrammed by a ford dealer) or there is a short to ground in one of the vref circuits for the Powertrain Management system, which causes the PCM to go into protection mode(indicated by two things, the first being your concern of no crank and theft light flashing but also if a scan tool is hooked up there will be no communication with PCM
 
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Thanks Iceman and Mroberts,
We tried the windows and they work.

Sounds like a trip to the dealer is in order,
we hope reprogramming the key works, so
we don't have to have it towed.

As a mechanical friend says- oh, these electrical systems!
 
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The vehicle actually does have to be towed,if it is the key that is the problem. They need to hook up the computer to the car and go through the reprogramming procedure. Make sure you bring both keys if you have them, for the module to relearn the transponder id's it requires you to have both keys or else it will not reprogram
 
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GM has key relearning procedure. It's widely used as GM BCM has tendency to go coo-koo and lock down fuel system with Security light flashing.
Is there one for Fords?
http://my.cardone.com/techdocs/PT%2078-0004.pdf
http://www.bsecorp.com/files/techtips/FORD%20PATS.pdf
PATS Thread - Program Your Own Keys & Other Useful PATS Info - F150online Forums

last likely being the most useful one
 
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you could reprogram a PATS key on your own if you had 2 already programed PATS keys, since he is having a problem with the one key a trip to the dealer is one the way
 
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Red face We thank all of you for your helpful suggestions!

...so we had it towed to the dealer.
Dealer says its not the keys and proceeds to check the wiring.
$500. later,(we also had oil changed and tires rotated)
...prepare yourselves...
of all things, a mouse in our garage is the culprit...
ate the wiring.
looks like our cats will be spending some time in the garage.
 
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thank you for coming back and saying what fixed it.
 
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