Axle problems 2000 Honda Oddyssey

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Old 11-17-14, 02:26 AM
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Axle problems 2000 Honda Oddyssey

I am trying to change the lower control arm on the drivers side of my Honda Minivan. I got the old one out but I am having trouble getting the new one in. Is it possible that I separated or loosened the axle while removing the old one ? If so, how do I fix it? Thank You
 
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Old 11-17-14, 03:13 AM
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Did the axle come out of tranny? or you having trouble installing it in hub?
 
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Old 11-17-14, 11:53 AM
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I wasn't working on the axle at all I just can't get the new control arm in. The wheel assembly doesn't seem to have much flexibility and I was wondering if I possibly pulled the axle out of where it was seated and how to fix it
 
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Old 11-17-14, 06:54 PM
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I think everyone will be better off if you post a pic or do a better description of issue you have. "Won't fit" does not really help.
You can not pull half axle out of hub. You can possibly yank it out of transmission, but then it takes quite an effort to accomplish that. You can separate the CV joint itself, had it done, but then it takes a very extreme wheel twist AND loose axle to accomplish something like this. I DOUBT.
So exactly HOW the new CA does not fit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSBEcuNBarg
 
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Looking back at my post it looks like I did not give a very good description. I'll try again;
I had a hard time getting the existing control arm out and while twisting and pulling it felt like the cv axle pulled out of the transmission. Which I think may be possible if the ball joint portion of the control arm was disconnected ?
I tried pushing the cv axle back into the transmission and now it doesn't seem to have much "play" in it. With the lower control arm bolts started on both points were it attaches to the frame, the ball joint end is about an inch short of going together. And there does not seem to be much play in the wheel /axle as there was during the removal. Thanks again for the help
 
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Old 11-18-14, 06:57 PM
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If you didn't have tie rod end/strut disconnected from the hub, I doubt you pulled axle out of transmission. Also, should you somehow, you'd have had quite an ATF leak out of transmission.
Did you have new and old CAs compared side by side? From what I understood, ball joint on CA and hub knuckle where ball joint stud go in, are about inch apart? Did you try lifting wheel and CA up to more horizontal position, as you have CA hanging down and strut is pushing it away from it?
But it all goes down to side by side comparison of the new and old CAs. Aftermarket unit? They do sell wrong parts, you know.....

Look at minute 5 and on in the instruction video I posted for you. Do you see how he wiggled CA in place?
Now, what could have POSSIBLY happened, was maybe you separated the inner CV joint itself. Without pulling it out of transmission. It has 3 bearings inside, that go into channels for them. You might have had it at the wrong angle and one bearing came out of its channel. Simply look at the inner CV joint boot. Is it somewhat un naturally stretched and at weird angle? Compare to the opposite side CV joint. The only way to fix it is to remove axle and hand re-position bearing back in place. Don't even need to take CV joint apart. I had that done once on my 91 Sable, when we pulled trannie out and I separated the CV joint.
 
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Old 11-19-14, 04:08 AM
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It might also help if you tell us why you're replacing the lower control arm.

I ask this because I once saw an axle come part way out of a Honda Civic trans when the driver hit a roadside "ditch" at about 55mph. As for the CV joint "coming apart"; I've heard of it, but have never seen it (that I recall).
 
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You can actually separate Cv joint quite easy. Boot stretches and there is really nothing to hold 2 parts together.
Typical CV Joint Parts Diagram (From a Honda Civic)
I had roller pulled out of roller hub several times. Once we rerassembled everything after trannie repair without noticing this, and when I took off, car was wobbling side to side like boat on waves. Thereafter I learned to actually tie CV joint ends together, to prevent separation, when I do repairs that require extreme joint angulations.
 
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You can actually separate Cv joint quite easy. Boot stretches and there is really nothing to hold 2 parts together.
This is what I was told has a mechanic. I've just never had it happen to me (not yet anyway).

Meanwhile, we're still waiting to hear from the OP... Hopefully he's working from a shop manual.
 
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I'm afraid Saturday will be my next opportunity to work on it. I ordered/received a new CV axle. I will try again when it gets above freezing.
 
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The ball joint was shot. Had a lot of play in it and got a good "thunk" every time we started to move
 
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Well, keep us posted. All the best and warmer weather.
 
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Well what I did was separate the inner boot of the cv axle. I was unable to get the old axle out, rented a slide hammer and axle removal tool. I just could not get any leverage with the car on jack stands. I cut the inner boot open removed most of the axle, and the new control arm went in easily. had the vehicle towed to a mechanic and they were able to install the new axle.
Thanks for the help
 
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Old 11-26-14, 04:12 AM
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Been there went to change a axle on my Honda and had similar problem. Not able to get axle in tranny while on stand. Had to tow to our shop. At time was mechanic 30 + years. Happens to all of us. 5 minutes on a rack to fix.
 
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Old 11-26-14, 06:27 PM
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Unable to pull axle out? Take a chisel and insert it vertical between axle hub and transmission. Take hammer and give 2-3 quick taps UP on the chisel, wedging it in. In about yey many strikes, axle pops out. Worked EVERY time on ANY car.
Next time, you do a job of this nature, have CV joint halves tied together. Coat hanger wire or even electrician tape. Figure of eight harness of a sort.
 
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