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Old 04-25-02, 07:12 AM
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No question, just a FWIW

I've owned 7 used Escorts (so inexpensive, how can I resist?). All were pre 1990, so this is really old news for regulars and readers alike.

1 @ 1981 1.6L Carb, 1 @ 1983 Carb, 1 @ 1984 1.9L Carb, 2 @ 1984 CFI, [email protected] 1985 1.9L CFI, 1 @ 1988 1/2 CFI. One was given to me for free, non ever cost more than $1400. All were >85 k miles when I got them.

Common thread to this?

4 out of 7 of those Escorts suffered hot shutdown. You know, drive them for a while, and sooner or later they shutdown... 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 3/4 hour, whatever. Pour about 1/4 cup of fuel or drygas into the intake (thru the carb, around the CFI, your choice), they will sputter, run for a second then die. I've been told that the car ran fine till last week/last month, told that their trusted mechanics/dealers couldn't figure out what was wrong, told that the coils/wires/caps/rotors/TFIs/fuelpumps/filters/plugs were all replaced in an attempt to repair the hot shutdown, but it persists. The car is unreliable, here, take it....

All 4 hot shutdowns were a fuel pump pushrod problem; the rod was ground down due to either poor lubrication or improperly hardened rod or improperly inserted rod.

Improperly inserted rod... what?

The rods are supposed to be hardened and ground so the rod end can be in contact with the camshaft, but Ford has the rod hardened on one end only - costs less. This hardened end goes into the engine. Sometimes the rods were installed the wrong way 'round. 2 local dealership parts department counter people that I spoke with did *not* know about the hardening, and did not know which end was the hardened end when I asked them to show me. The packaged rod has no instructions. Yet one end of the replacement rod visibly different from the other end. Oh, and this hardening is visible only on certain rods, not all. Ugh.

So, I'm not surprised the pushrod gets put in the wrong way, and thus the soft end rides on the camshaft and gets ground down...

Pull the fuel pump, pull the rod out, go to a dealer [parts department], tell the parts department make/model/year/engine, etc, compare rod lengths.

All my problem rods were at least 1/8th inch shorter than factory rod. One rod was nearly 3/8ths inch short - that rig would run about 8 minutes before dying. The dealer had no idea why that Escort died.

You see, as engines run, it gets hot; a hot engine expands, thus the distance from fuel pumps' internal plunger to the engines camshaft will get larger as the engine gets hotter..... but the push rod won't get that much longer..... and oops, the fuel pump just won't pump when the engine gets hot.

Ok, the chances of needing to repair a nearly 20 year old "disposable" car are pretty slim these days, but forgive me, I just found DoItYourself.com a few days ago... I had to share.

This info is coming from my memory, as the last Escort I owned was crushed 6 months ago. I still have a 1.9L CFI in my garage which has a snapped crankshaft, I drove it home that day....
 
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Old 04-25-02, 07:19 AM
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you are are glutton for punishment--even I would'nt touch one of those--let alone seven!
 
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Old 04-25-02, 08:03 AM
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Lol. Redneck's a little extreme with that comment, but I tend to agree.

1400 bucks was too much for an 81 Escort in 1982. Lol. Escorts of this vintage were terrible heaps and suffered from numerous problems. It was a cheap car and you got cheap service from it. Spartan at best. Cheap, crude, rough, and lackluster at best. If someone gave me one, I wouldn't hesitate to squish it in a heartbeat or part it out. They are junk in my belief .

They had pesky carburetion which is probably part of your problem. Additionally, Ford had problems with the TFI module and it shutting down after getting hot and in my belief, they have not fixed that issue completely.

I always stuck with rear drive GM. Far superior, more comfortable, reliable and parts 'o plenty. And everything is straight forward and cheap to do, and do correctly .

I agree with Redneck. Too cheap on these things is not cheap enough . Even free isn't cheap. Lol

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Old 04-25-02, 09:07 AM
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Lol. Redneck's a little extreme with that comment, but I tend to agree.

1400 bucks was too much for an 81 Escort in 1982. Lol. Escorts of this vintage were terrible heaps and suffered from numerous problems. It was a cheap car and you got cheap service from it. Spartan at best. Cheap, crude, rough, and lackluster at best. If someone gave me one, I wouldn't hesitate to squish it in a heartbeat or part it out. They are junk in my belief .

They had pesky carburetion which is probably part of your problem. Additionally, Ford had problems with the TFI module and it shutting down after getting hot and in my belief, they have not fixed that issue completely.

SNIP

Even free isn't cheap. Lol

My .02
Wow, struck a nerve? Ah yes - You're a GM guy!

True, the 81 was not worth much - being a first year design it rotted real quickly, but yeah, you guessed right, that was my biggest $$$ car.... Sigh, I only got 150,000 (yes, 150 thousand) miles before I crushed it (bought it at 98k).
All it needed was tie rods, tires, oil, air, 3 sets o' plugs, a cap / rotor / wires, and if memory serves me, that one actually got a strut job and an alignment, too!!!

At least the tranny wasn't plastic (I'm ribbing the GM guys here - Grin!!).
They all rust in New Hampster: GM, Mopar, FoMoCo, BMW, Hondas, Vee Dubs, no matter what, all steel cars rust.

I eventually had a carb problem on a later Escort (a plugged idle jet, due to a metallic fuel filter that disintegrated), but by then I had a few extra carbs laying around for parts!!! Just like all the local Chevy nutz, I, too, have parts cars in my yard!

Well, I simply wanted to share a solution to a common problem to an older car, a car which many kids get handed to them for pennies. They might get lucky on a bad fuel pump push rod junker, who knows? $9 fix....

BTW, I'm used to punishment, try saying "Linux" in a non Linux computer forum and see what you get - redneck was rather kind!
 
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Old 04-25-02, 12:36 PM
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I would like to welcome you to this forum. Dunbar thank you for sharing your experience with us with the Ford Escort. We greatly appreciate it.

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Old 04-25-02, 12:46 PM
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Lol. It tells us not to buy it. Lol.

Actually 150k is no sweat on a car. My 84 Olds has 143k with half the original parts and everything works on it .

I wouldn't buy an Escort if you paid me. Too cheap, rickity and very lackluster. Not one of Ford's better efforts.

Most small cars are cheap. That's why they are small and cheap. Lol. Large rules . Better quality, safety and reliability. The best parts on the shelf are used, oftentimes not being shared with other vehicles.

I thank you for relating your experience too .
 
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