Tub/Shower Diverter Replacement

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Tub/Shower Diverter Replacement

The diverter valve in my tub/shower isn't working properly (water coming out of shower head and tub faucet at the same time) and I'll be replacing it this evening. I watched a You Tube video and it looks pretty straight forward. The only thing I am uncertain of is the video said to use some type of lubricant on the valve before inserting it. Exactly what type of lube do I need to use?
 
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It depends on your faucet? 3 handle stem and washers? Cartridges?
 
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Silicone plumbers grease is what I use.
In a pinch you can use Vaseline.
 
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Yes, three handle stem with diverter in center. I'm assuming it's a cartridge. Otherwise I'll have to replace the entire faucet, correct? That would be a PITA because it is a fiberglass shower.
 
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In a pinch you can use Vaseline.
Bad advice IMO

Dont use Vaseline it will swell the washers????

Do you know the make? May just need a new inside washer for the center stem...


That would be this if gereber which is common..The second black washer.


DANCO 11B-4D Diverter Stem for Gerber Tubs and Showers-15352B at The Home Depot




Or price pfister is common. The white washer..

DANCO Shower Diverter Stem for Price Pfister Crown Imperial Faucets-15300B at The Home Depot




But you may have something totally different...
 
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No clue. I won't know until I pull it out this evening. I planned on buying a new cartridge and replacing the existing one. Are replacement cartridges fairly inexpensive? Sounds like I'll need to pull the old one out first and take it with me to the hardware store.
 
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Considering water is coming out of both the shower head and tub faucet at the same time, is it possible that the valve is simply sticking and won't close completely? Maybe I can get away with spraying it down with some WD40 then giving it a good lube. Any special tools needed to get the valve out? Deep socket?
 
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Are replacement cartridges fairly inexpensive?
I linked the two common ones from the home store... one is 12 bucks the other 16 bucks..

If its something else I will need to look it up...

Take a pic.. I can probably tell you what you have...
 
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Unfortunately, it is in a rental property so I won't know what it looks like until this evening, and will need to fix it this evening. I'll see what the deal is once I have it out and try to fix it first. If not fixable, I'll just take it down the street to the hardware store and match it up with another. Is it possible that the faucet doesn't use cartridges at all?
 
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is it possible that the valve is simply sticking and won't close completely?
Its usually that second washer on the stems...


Any special tools needed to get the valve out? Deep socket?
You can use a deep socket. I often use a spark plug style because it has flates on it so you can turn it with a cresent wrench..




But they make tools for this purpose...

BrassCraft Steel Shower Valve Socket Set-T141 at The Home Depot

 
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Its usually that second washer on the stems...
So basically the washer deteriorates and causes the valve to stick, or the washer is allowing water to bypass?

You can use a deep socket. I often use a spark plug style because it has flates on it so you can turn it with a cresent wrench..
Awesome. Got one of those.
 
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Is it possible that the faucet doesn't use cartridges at all?
Most common is a stem as I show in post #5.

If its a cartridge then it can be anything...

Also note you may have a hard time getting the handles off... If you try to pry them off you may break the stem... Its good to have a handle puller too...


BrassCraft Steel Faucet Handle and Compression Sleeve Puller Kit-T168 at The Home Depot


 
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They are plastic handles and I replaced them a few years ago, so I don't anticipate them being very difficult to get off.
 
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Like this?




 
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Yes, like the bottom one.
 
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Most likely a price pfister then......
 
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...although the handles were originally chrome, and I replaced them with plastic ones. I'll probably just pick up two valves and two of those washers (one for each brand) and take them with me. Whatever I don't end up using will go right back to the store. Thanks again for your help! I'll let you know how it goes.
 
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...or maybe it doesn't screw in at all. Like this one:

Diverter Valve Rotation Style - YouTube
 
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Yes like I said it may be a newer cart style... That would be a delta with the extensions as shown.. There are washers and springs inside too instead of seats. That guy did not change those in the vid you linked to..
 
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Turns out it was neither of those. It is a Delta however. I went to three different hardware stores and no one was able to help at all. All I had was the extension piece/stem that the handle attaches too. The rest of the cartridge fell inside the wall. Thankfully the end broke off inside the valve. I didn't realize this until I had already gone out. Once I got back and saw it, I remembered seeing that stem in all three stores! So I went out again (and sat in traffic again) to buy the stem, came back and had it installed in a few minutes. Thank god, because that is the only bathroom they have.

This is the handle/extension stem:

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