Suggestions for (inexpensive) water valve that can be controlled remotely


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Old 06-01-16, 11:00 AM
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Suggestions for (inexpensive) water valve that can be controlled remotely

Hi,

I'm like to be able to remotely/automatically control 2 water valves. I have 2 faucets outside of my home (in front and in the back) and I'd like to be able to set a schedule to water my grass for when I put new grass seeds. I only need to water 30 minutes per day during 14 days per year, so I do not want to install permanent sprinklers for that. When it is watering time, I just run a hose and lay down an oscillating watering thingy (two actually, one in front and one in back).

I am NOT considering using one of the various sprinkler systems. If you must know, here is why:
1- I live in a place where there is a lot of snow during the winter and it can become very cold. Too many "4 season products" are designed "in California" where people don't fully grasp the concept of 4 seasons (Hello Ring Doorbell! It's rated only to work up to -20 Celcius..!) so I want to avoid putting electronics outside where it will inevitably fail after the warranty runs out.

2- Power and water are far away so I'd have to run conduits along the wall - I don't want that.

3- This is a town house, I want to avoid the clutter of a gray box, everything must be invisible.

4- I already have a lot of my home automated with the mFi line of products, which I control (and set schedules) with my computer, I'd like to piggy back on that.

5- Theft of expensive systems could be a problem if they are outside.

6- My project sounds more fun .

This being said, my idea is to put a valve directly on the 1/2" pex pipe that goes outside. For the back of my home, that's quite easy since the pipe is forked from the cold water in my kitchen sink cabinet and goes directly outside from there. I could cut the pex there, install the valve, and run a control wire to my mechanical room where I want to centralize the control. In that cabinet I have access to 120VAC (from my garburator) if required for the valve.

For the front of the house, it is a bit tricky. In the attached picture (but everything has since been sealed off) you can see the branch on the left T does a loop and then goes outside (on the left).

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Obviously, I don't want to leave a valve in the ceiling unattended, so my idea would be to cut the left branch and cap it properly, then connect the looped pipe to another pipe that I would fish to my mechanical room (about 25 feet away on the same floor) and then hook it up to the cold pipe of my water heater. This way, I could install the valve at the junction with the water heater; it would always be visible/accessible, I have access to electricity, and my mFi mPort could control the valve (it has 5v, 12, 24v outputs) from the same room. The mPort would also control the other valve, although as I explained that other valve would be located outside the mechanical room.

It is important to note that on the other end of the valves are my outdoor faucets. 99.9% of of the time the faucets will be turned off, so I will not be relying on the valve cut off the water. The valve will only be used 2 weeks during the year (at which time I'll leave the faucets turned on).

Obviously this is for a residential setup (around 60 psi pressure?). I'd like find a valve in the 20-30$ price range... definitely not above 100$ each. for the control, I can supply 5VDC, 12VDC or 24VDC (140mA max however, unless I add a relay).

I think a motorized valve will be more expensive than the solenoid, right? But I'm told the solenoid might introduce a hammering noise (which isn't the end of the world, but would prefer to avoid).

Any suggestion on the valve to use? Are the ideas I'm throwing above potentially problematic (branching from the water heater? fishing a pex pipe in the ceiling without properly attaching it to the beams?).

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
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Old 06-01-16, 11:06 AM
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Check these out, Don't know Canada but should be same in most hardware stores.
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Shouldn't need any plumbing as most just connect to hose bib.
 
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Old 06-01-16, 11:22 AM
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I already have a Gardena water timer, but I don't like those solutions. I'd prefer to be able to control from my computer.
 
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Old 06-02-16, 07:21 AM
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I'm not familiar with mFi - is that like zwave or wink or those other interconnected devices?

My idea was: they make zwave cords, where one end plugs into the wall outlet, and the other end has a receptacle; this would allow a lamp or other plugged in device to be controlled by smartphone/internet/etc. Here's an example:
http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-DSC0...eywords=z-wave

Plug one of those into a solenoid stripped out of a washing machine, and add proper garden hose connections.
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Wait - I just re-read your OP. You want to keep everything hard plumbed inside? What I posted would be an external hack IMHO.
 
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Old 06-07-16, 11:06 AM
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If you want something reliable, I would go the traditional in-ground sprinkler control route. Granted, you don't actually have to run the in-ground piping and sprinkler heads and such, but a standard Zoro or Rain Bird valve(s), connected to a hose spigot that you can then do what you want with. The valves run on 24v power, and can be connected to any number of simple or complex timers, each with their own integration capabilities, etc. Or you can build your own timer/controller if you really want.

The benefit of using a standard valve is that it's cheap, easy to install, and pretty reliable. Then you only need a control wire coming into the house to the location of your choosing.

If you don't want to go that direction, you can get electronic water valves that are usually used for hydronic heating to turn on/off zones. Again, typically 24v control, and you can use just about anything to actually turn them on/off as needed. They are usually more expensive than sprinkler valves as they are better made and designed to last many years.
 
 

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