Rough In Plumbing on New Detached Garage Construction
Rough in plumbing was done yesterday detached garage with loft and I had to leave before he got started and came home to this install. Its for rough in for sink and toilet main level and, sink, toilet, shower in loft.
Im looking for some feedback on things that were done. Take a look at these photos and let me know if anything looks questionable.
Im no expert but is this layout standard practice?
The pex in the dirt with a slab to be poured on top it?
Shouldnt PEX be sleeved instead of just laying on dirt then bending it up through the eventual slab?
Wire tieing PVC to rebar?
Holes busted through the block and not sealed?
Heard him say he only had one long sweep...looks like the toilet has a short sweep?
The biggest thing that makes me question is before I left he asked" where is inspector coming from" and I told him and he said "good - i know those guys - now i know what i can get by with"
A water or sewage line passing through a foundation wall needs to pass through a conduit or sleeve. I normally use a short piece of larger pipe. Say a foot long piece of 6" PVC mortared into the wall. Then the 4" drain line passes through it. Similar for PEX passing through the wall.
Yes, PEX can simply lay on the ground. Technically it only needs protection from sunlight. It looks like they have it passing through conduit where the slab will be located. I assume there is going to be a lot of back filling. If this will be crushed stone I would like to see the PEX protected against punctures.
Rebar holding things is pretty common. They just need a way to hold things in position so the concrete guys don't knock them over or bury them.
And most importantly, have you finalized your floorplan? Are these utilities where you want them? Spend much time on this forum and you'll see a lot of people busting out the concrete because they want to move the toilet or sink...
Thanks for the reply PD - Will the inspector question the short sweep 90 on the toilet (on the right in the photos)?
Pex is going to be covered/back filled with good old Virginia clay then a 4" layer of gravel then the pad. I guess I would've liked to see PVC through the wall and over with a long sweep 90 going up for the slab penetration but .... i dont know if code allows that. My thought was that if there were ever a problem with the water supply line it could be pulled out and a new one slid in.
He did put a 4" sleeve through the back wall to sleeve the 3" waste line.
I have a good finalized floor plan and strung off the main level bath from the outside walls so the plumber could set pipe. The loft bath is directly over the main level bath.
I'd be pretty upset to have to bust up concrete for my mistake but if I had to do for someone else's mistake i'd be royally p*ssed!!
Thanks for taking a look. FF
Last edited by FairwayFatty; 07-12-22 at 03:19 PM.
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Update: Inspector came out today to inspect the block. The plumber didnt show up today and inspector said the plumbing wasnt capped for a water test and he will have to come back.
He told me with it capped it needs to hold water for 20 minutes.
There is a long sweep on the waste pipe on left that goes to loft bathroom but on the main level waste pipe he used a short 90.
I didn't think to ask but should the inspector question the short sweep 90 on the toilet on the right in the photos?
Also there isnt much fall on the right toilet to the main waste pipe...will the inspector put a level on anything to check fall?
i don't know if a short 90 is allowed under a toilet that's why i was asking but i guess it is ok as inspector came by today when i wasn't here and he passed everything including the floor drain into the same line as toilet and sink so i guess it is permitted.
I just assumed he'd pull out a tape measure or a pocket level or something at some point but haven't seen even have a tool on him or a pencil for that matter. must have everything on computer.
Im doing a time lapse video of the entire build. When looking at footage when the inspector was here the three time - footer, block and plumbing rough in. He walked around for about two minutes each time says your good to go and leaves. He did shake the vertical pipe to see if it had water in it today. I guess those three areas there is nothing to check other than by eyeball i guess.
Cap or duct tape the PEX and the sink drain. A few stray rocks can cause surprising problems.
Absolutely double-check the measurements of the rough-ins. Is that a good place for a main shutoff for the water main? Bathrooms are usually pretty tight, so the shutoff in another wall is often a better choice. But you know the layout better than I do.
Thanks for taking a look. Good or bad I sleeved the pex with some 1 1/2" PVC to protect it during the dirt/gravel backfill and if there ever is an issue I can pull the old out and "snake" in a new. The pex has got a crimped cap on it and the drain was open as it had to have another 5 feet vertically coupled to it for the water test.
The roughin's are in back wall of the bath/under stairs area and is 2X6 framed and the area wont be finished so shut off will be able to be accessed.
I hate to say it but the plumber was lazy AF and I didn't care for his work at all. He had a cordless butter *knife, cut everything by eye and never de-burred before he glued. All he had left was to cap three pipes and fill it with water but he said he'd come back the next day to do that and call the inspector but he showed back up two days later and I lost the window for the concrete finisher and now the slab pour has pushed to mid-next week.
Well this building is a triplex, built in 1920. Cast iron piping that is a nightmare to get into. This is in the little downstairs unit that I'm cleaning up to re-rent.
Quite frankly I'm afraid to DO anything, and I definitely don't have the money to do it.
So here's the hot feed underneath the sink. As you can see, its rusted.
But a weird kind of red rust, almost like corrosion.
What causes this? As you can see it has traveled up and covered part of the shutoff valve, which I put on new a few years ago.
Also the pipe behind it is deformed. I'm afraid to start cranking on this, that I may end up with broken pipes and a spiraling disaster.
So what to do?
its sweating, but not dripping.
Just wrap it in Flex Tape, maybe, and not poke the bear?
Or try cutting into the wall and press my luck.
Why does the wall pipe look like that?
Can this burst open and flood the apartment, like this? Or am I overthinking.
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My house has a 3" copper stack running from the basement slab up through 2 floors and out the roof (naturally). The upper level's kitchen sink drains into this pipe. The lower level's bathroom sink does as well. I'm fixing the plumbing situation for the washing machine which is next to the batch room sink. Currently it drains into what was originally a toilet drain, which means it's raised up about 8" off the ground on a platform. Long story short, it's time to "do it right", mostly because I'm replacing the washer/dryer with a new stackable set (the current washer/dryer is a very old stacked unit).
That's the backstory. Now for my question. I need to replace the current single-wye at the base of the 3" copper stack with a double-wye, and I'm scared. I've done this before but with a galvanized 2" stack and only one story's worth of it. And that was marginally difficult to keep the stack from falling downward. With a 3" copper stack which is probably 22' in height, I imagine it's going to be heavy!
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[i]Existing wye and 3" copper stack.[/i]
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[i]Diagram showing my plans.[/i]
As you can see I will have the washer box drain to a P then head leftward toward the stack, connecting to the new wye.
Looking for tips on how I can do this myself. It's going to be near impossible / completely impossible to find a plumber where I am (southern VT), on short order. All service fold are generally booked weeks out, and I only have a few days to complete this project.
PS: I've already bought the 3x3x3 wye, bushings, 45s, and Fernco flexible couplings (for the stack-to-double-wye and PVC-to-ABS connections).
07-12-22, 10:10 AM
