green pool fix! too much foam???


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Unhappy green pool fix! too much foam???

hi everyone!
sorry about my english!
im a beginner. i just moved to usa and live in my new home for a year.
i was too busy and dont have time to take care of the pool. then it has turned to green.
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...psa7d3eb15.jpg
I watched a lot of videos on youtube to learn how to fix my pool
and last Sunday I started.
after 1hour it turn from green to blue.
but too much foam in pool, I waited and hoped it would get better the next day. but it still does not change and become worse in the morning when I wake up
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my pool is about 27500 gallons with a hayward sand filter.
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps6ecacfc6.jpg
but i dont know how the valves work, so i keep it as original.
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps2f61842c.jpg
i bought all the things at home depot.
this is how i worked.
- first, I removed most of the large debris from the pool floor with a large leaf net. then brushed the wall.
- backwash in 2min and rinse 30s.
then filter 24hours, also backwash every 8hours.
- while the filter run, i was shock with 3 packs of 1lb "shock plus 4-in-1 pool shock.
add 4 gallons liquid chlorinating.
fill the tablet into chlorine dispenser.
1 bottle of algacide, yellowout.
- it turned into blue very fast, about 30min to 1 hour. little of white foam , but I thought it 's a chemical reaction so i did not mind.
- after 3 hours, everything seem working good.
i tested ph and clorine, clorine at 2.0 and ph very high.
i add 1 gallons acid.
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps35ebae67.jpg
- seem like i did stupid things?
and this is ph and chlorine now. clorine under 0.6 and ph under 6.8. i know it's very low.
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anyone can help me understand what I did wrong? and how to fix it?

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green pool fixed... to much foam!!

hi everyone!
sorry about my english!
im a beginner. i just moved to usa and live in my new home for a year.
i was too busy and dont have time to take care of the pool. then it has turned to green.
I watched a lot of videos on youtube to learn how to fix my pool
and last Sunday I started. today is monday ( 2days)
after 1hour it turn from green to blue.
but too much foam in pool, I waited and hoped it would get better the next day. but it still does not change and become worse in the morning when I wake up. foam everywhere in my pool, in my skimmer ( i think it make slow swirl because when i use my hand try to clear the foam in skimmer, the swirl faster)
my pool is about 27500 gallons with a hayward sand filter. but i dont know how the valves work, so i keep it as original.
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps2f61842c.jpg
i bought all the things at home depot.
this is how i worked.
- first, I removed most of the large debris from the pool floor with a large leaf net. then brushed the wall.
- backwash in 2min and rinse 30s.
then filter 24hours, also backwash every 8hours.
- while the filter run, i was shock with 3 packs of 1lb "shock plus 4-in-1 pool shock.
add 4 gallons liquid chlorinating.
fill the tablet into chlorine dispenser.
1 bottle of algacide, yellowout.
- it turned into blue very fast, about 30min to 1 hour. little of white foam , but I thought it 's a chemical reaction so i did not mind.
- after 3 hours, everything seem working good.
i tested ph and clorine, clorine at 2.0 and ph very high.
i add 1 gallons acid.
- seem like i did stupid things?
and this is ph and chlorine now. chlorine under 0.6 and ph under 6.8 (i know it very low )

anyone can help me understand what I did wrong? and how to fix it?

about the valves? chemicals? ...
 

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Welcome to the forums (and pool ownership)

In the pictures I labeled what the valves are. You can determine which valve is the shallow end and deep end by observing the water movement in the skimmer. Right now since there is only one valve open....you should see water movement in only one skimmer.

During this time of particle removal you should only have the deep end drawing. Normally both of those valves are open.

I know that yellowout is pretty viscous stuff and you have to follow the directions exactly. We just got rid of a case of pink slime.

I'm not a chemical expert but I know you should be able to bring your water sample to the place where you buy chemicals for testing.

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Your chlorine is zero(I bet you need stabilizer) and PH is very low. The foam is from the algeacide and will go away. It looks like your pool has only one skimmer and looks like it has a side wall suction for a cleaner. Your valve look correct as long as it is pulling from skimmer and not side wall. You need to keep chlorinator full of tabs to bring chlorine level up. I noticed a floating chlorinator also, does the automatic one work??? Take a water sample to local pool store and have tested then balance your chemicals with what they say. After taking water sample out of pool I would shock it with 3Lbs shock to keep it from turning green again.
 
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hello and thank you so much for your answer!
i will bring my water sample to my local pool store for testing.
does my valves look good and nothing need to change about my valves? also when i do backwash because someone tell me that i need to pull the "closed" valve in the picture half way then pull back off. it been a long time and i dont remember what they said if it wrong can you can tell me something right to help me forget wrong things, beginner you know
and i have to wait the foam go away?
this is my filter look
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps6121a865.jpg
the red one i see it call chlorine feeder, what should i do with it?
the yellow one you said that the line return to pool.
and how about the blue one?
 
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Old 09-10-13, 11:46 AM
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Dont add anything to the pool at this stage but chlorine. You must keep the chlorine at shock level. Using liquid chlorine ir essentially bleach at a higher concentration.Adding this give a failse reading of a high PH so testing PH and adding acid is useless at this time.

Now you need a good test kit to test your chlorine levels to keep them at shock levels. And you need to know what your CYA level is ( cynaric acid/ stabilizer) to know what your shock level should be... In florida you want a 30 or 40. This way the sun does not burn off the chlorine you add in mere hours.

If its in that range you need to maintain a 12-15 ppm chlorine level for possibly 24 hours or until the level does not drop overnight. Your cheapeast way is to add bleach...

Also is this a cement pool? If so you need to maintain calcium levels so the cement does not get leached...

It will be a long road to lean to maintain the pool, so I touched on stuff here but there is much more...

Here is the kit to test high chlorine shock levels. Without it you will never know what level your at.

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i have some news!
all foam are gone! (happy) the water now cloudy and still cant see the bottom.
I took water samples to test and this is the result.
alkalinity level and pH are low.
- they said i must raise pH using pH plus or pH increaser.
- hardness is low => add calcium
- sanitizer is low => add liquid chlorine.
- stabilizer is low => add pool stabilizer.
i want to ask you which one i should do first? if i raise the pH first. will all the next step affect the pH?
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Get your PH up first and the stabilizer also need to get chlorine up (1 qt not going to do it) to prevent turning green again. Get tablets in chlorinator. cloudy water is cleared with filtration and backwashing, could take a few days. You can also use a clarifier to help your filter do its job.
 
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Old 09-10-13, 06:33 PM
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hi todrut! thank you your reply!
when my water are cloudy, can i vacuum to clean the algae in bottom?
 
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Old 09-11-13, 05:28 AM
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yes if you can see it, but make sure to raise water level and vacuum with filter on waste. This will bypass the filter and go straight out to waste.
 
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i think im having some problems.
my filter pressure gauge always at 20
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and something out of my drain cap under the filter
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might want to change your sand in filter.
 
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thank you so much todrut!
 
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it's me again
today I looked into the hole and saw the water sucking skimmer very slow or even not moving.
i always clean skimmer basket and the bump basket.
the pool now still cloudy after 4days. still have algae. im not vacuum yet because the pool cloudy.
I was trying to brush the wall and picked algae every day
please help
 
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Old 09-11-13, 06:19 PM
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I merged your other thread that I responded to. Read that. You need to keep the shock level up....See post in-between 6 and 7.

You must vacuum and get all plant stuff off bottom. You will lose the battle if you dont.
 
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water moves into the skimmer too slow??

it's me again
I looked into the hole and saw the water moves into skimmer very slow or even not moving into skimmer.
i always clean skimmer basket and the bump basket.
the pool now still cloudy after 4days. still have algae. im not vacuum yet because the pool cloudy.
please help
 
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I merged this thread too. Can you keep posting to the same post???? It all related and makes it difficult if you have many threads going on.......

Thanks a million....
 
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thank you too much lawrosa. you're so kind.
im trying my best.
but too many problems with beginners like me.
and how about the Bold problem i just talked bout? "the water moves very slow in the skimmer"
 
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are you sure you have the right valve open for the skimmer? Is there a main drain? Does water flow better when both valves in front of pump are open?
 
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Old 09-12-13, 06:09 AM
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I 've posted picture about it below . I dont know which the skimmer valve and drain . and i saw only one hole in the skimmer . I will try to open both and let you know.
 
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hello!!
good news is the water flow into skimmer faster ( i Dont know why, but thanks )
this is my newest result:
all lv is at ideal now, but the chlorine still low after 10hours i used 2 pack of shock treatment. the water from little green back to cloudy blue, still have algae on the bottom. my pool is 27400 gal. what should i do now? more shock? or add liquid chlorine?
i already added 3 chlorine tabs 3" in the floater and 1 in the skimmer basket 2 days ago.
 
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i will say it one more time. You must keep the pool at shock level and not let it drop. This may mean cheaking the chlorine hourly. Only when the chlorine shock level holds over night then you can resume to normal maintenance...


You will never clear the pool with crap on the bottom. You must clean and maintain shock level for a period of time. You still have stuff in the pool eating the chlorine most likely... You must clean the bottom. Vacuum and brush daily....
 
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but what should i use to keep the shock level? shock pack or liquid chlorine?
 
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Old 09-15-13, 05:47 AM
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why aren't you putting tablets in the chlorinator at the filter? Does it work? 3 in floater and 1 in skimmer is not enough. putting in skimmer is not good if it can be helped, very bad for equipment.
 
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Old 09-15-13, 06:43 AM
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ok i just added 2.5gal liquid chlorine into the pool. after 30min the chlorine is around 2.0 3.0 ppm, but the pH from 7.6 raise to 8.2...wow, what's happened?
 
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Old 09-15-13, 07:19 AM
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the ph will read high.. dont worry about it... thats from the liquid chlorine...Dont worry about the PH or anything else for that matter.

The expensive liquid chlorine from the pool store is just bleach... Its a higher concentration is all. You can just buy from the grocery store. Use unscented regular bleach.

the chlorine is around 2.0 3.0 ppm,
Thats not shock level. Shock level is 12 ppm at least, and thats if you have a CYA level of 30 which is the norm. You must know your CYA level to know what your shock level will be.

CYA is cynaric acid or stabilizer as the pool stores call it. You must have that tested and find your level. CYA is so the sun does not burn off the chlorine. If you had not the chlorine can burn off in hors.

read my post #7 again.

Here is the CYA chart shock ration.

Chlorine / CYA Chart • Pool School • Trouble Free Pool

As far as shock level you have a 27k pool? You will need 7 gallons of 6% bleach in the 96 oz jugs to raise your pool from a 0 to a 12 ppm.

Here is a calculator you can use.

The Pool Calculator

If you want to use the pool store stuff let me know the concentration.

Oh and you need the test kit I linked to the test the higher levels of shock. Your test kit cant read that high.

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Is this a cement or vinyl liner? And no you will not bleach your liner!!!!!!!.....
 
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you mean the bleach my mom use in walmart for washing clothes?
my CYA now is 10, now i must raise it to 30? i dont know this pool is vinyl or cement, house preowners didnt tell me anything about the pool.
i started with just the invoices protection fencing and a bit about the robot was damaged. ( zero )
 
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you mean the bleach my mom use in walmart for washing clothes?
Yes.........non scented and plain bleach.....

Its all sodium hypochlorite. read the ingredients of bleach and expensive pool store stuff. Pool store stuff is just a higher concentration is all. like 12.5% vs 6% from wally world.

Do the math. You will need to add 3.5 gallons of 12.5% pool stuff to get to 12 ppm. How much is that per gallon? Is it 12.5%? let me know.

You will need 7 gallons of 6% bleach to raise to 12ppm. I get bleach here on sale for $1.35 or so. So about $10 bucks.

I bet one bottle of the pool stuff is $15 bucks......
 
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and how about my 10ppm CYA?
 
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and how about my 10ppm CYA?
I added info to post #29....

Your CYA should be 30 ppm is the norm. In FL the sun will burn it off. Is this pool in a screened room?

Just get some stabilizer and follow the directions to raise it some.
 
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it's cost me about $10 5gals, pinch a penny jug but i refill at ace hardware. i dont know exactly 12.5% or what. i'll ask or i will use bleach as you said. okay today i must raise the CYA first right. and how long after i added CYA i can begin add more bleach?
 
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One thing I just know that my dad help me vacuum the pool everyday last 30min i tried to vacuum i got nothing... thanks dad.
but my pool little green before and after i started vacuum on the bottom, really blue water come out the return line, Is there chemicals I added was sink to the bottom?

update: i just added "3lbs aqua chem stabilizer"
 

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this is my newest result at leslie's pool supplies:
FC: 0
Total Chlorine: 0
CH: 130ppm
CYA: 30ppm
TA: 140ppm
pH: 7.4
 
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All your #'s look good. Dont add anything to the pool except chlorine... What ever you chose.. Bleach or pool liquid shock..

You must maintain 12 ppm or slightly higher say to 16 ppm or so.

That means from a 0 if you add 7 gallons of 6% bleach it will raise your chlorine level to 12 ppm. So I would add 8 gallons.

But you need to test every hour or so, and when the level chlorine drops you need to add more chlorine to bring up up to 12 + ppm...You may need to do this for 24 hours or more. Only when you bring the level to 12 ppm when you go to bed and the next morning the chlorine level holds, then you have killed everything in the pool and can adjust your other levels.

PH will always read high after adding chlorine/bleach.

I say again you need a way to test your chlorine levels. You cant testtrhat high with your kit. You need to test with the kit I linked to. If you dont get that kit you will be guessing and wasting your time and money on bleach...

Last run filter 24/7 until the pool clears up... Backwash as needed.

Do not add floc or magic potions from the pool store. Your just wasting your time and messing the pool up more. Many of those products are metal based like copper crap. Or that baquil stuff that will just gunk everything up...Once you add some of those products you can never get it out unless you drain and refill.

Now touch the side of the pool. It it cement or a rubber/vinyl liner????
 
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Also a note....

I have had pools all my life. My chemistry classes in college taught me a lot of things. I have maintained many large pools 30k gallons plus for people and family...

The only thing I have used in these pools is Bleach for sanitation, banking soda as a alkilinity increaser, and borax to raise the PH... These are the same chemicals you buy at the pool store. The ingedients are the same...Its called the BBB poll maintenance method. Do a search. There are two good pool sites that have forums regarding this.

Again in the 10 yrs I have had my current pool this is all that ever went into it... Its only 6000 gallon though...

If I had a pool your size I would get a salt generator hands down... You add salt to the pool. The salt makes chlorine and sanitizes. This will save you money and frustration. A pool your size needs lots of chlorine daily... Thos little floater things that hold the pucks will not cut it with your pool.

Other wise you will need to be diligent about testing your pool daily and adding bleach as needed...
 
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i think it is cement.
i found $1.75 1gal of 5.25% household bleach at home depot.
today i added stabilizer so tomorrow i start add 8gal bleach. is it good?


I admire what you have done, and grateful for your help!!!
thank you so much!
I will find out about add salt to my pool as you said after I won this first battle.
 
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At 5.25 % bleach, and your pool is 27K gallons right?

If so From 0 ppm to 12ppm would need 8 gallons. I would add 10 to start...

How are you going to test? You need to test hourly at first...

today i added stabilizer
Was this liquid? Did you add it after they tested the 30 ppm at the pool store?
 
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exactly is 27472 gal
37*18*5.5*7.5
it is aqua chem stabilizer (powder)
i added it this morning 11am and get the test at 3pm.
I have ordered the test kit, but a need few more days to arrive.
does taylor k-2006 good for me?
 
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I have no way to check the high chlorine now.
do I need to wait until the test kit arrived to start shocking the pool?
if so, what I have to do to keep the numbers as they are now?
i dont want it's turn green again while im waiting the test kit.
I have wasted a lot of time and money on past mistakes
 
 

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