Gutter brackets and apron

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Old 08-09-13, 02:37 PM
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Gutter brackets and apron

Hi, roofer installed gutter aprons. We have Genova vinyl gutters that we were planning to put up. We were told to wait until after the roof was done. We were told to put the gutter edge under the apron. The brackets won't allow for that. They are made to go over the top and the gutter snaps into them. Any ideas?
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Yes, get rid of the cheap plastic gutters and have seamless aluminum gutters installed instead.
Guess you really mean drip edge not apron.
A seamless gutter will use hidden hangers, not the ugly breakable exposed hangers that hold the gutters out away from the fascia where waters going to run down behind them and leave black marks.
 
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We need a DIY gutter, we just bought a roof, can't afford to hire out gutters too.
 
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Got a price on them. Buy time you buy all the parts, glue, you not going to be saving much and your going to end up with a gutter that you should not even put a ladder against and may well leak at the joints, plus not look anywhere near as nice.
There just is no way to install plastic gutter brackets up behind the drip cap. They stick out to far.
 
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Old 08-09-13, 07:27 PM
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You will have to forgive Joe... most guys on the east coast have never heard of gutter apron for some reason... guess the shipping costs to much to get it there. LOL

While I have the exact same opinion of vinyl gutters, I'll try and answer the question. You will likely need to bend the gutter apron out farther. I'm guessing the guy who installed it held it tight to the fascia as one normally would. But with vinyl gutter, the gutter has to be mounted below the gutter apron and the gutter apron needs to be angled away from the fascia so that it can drip into the gutter. Otherwise water will run right behind your gutters.

If you don't take Joe's advice and get steel or aluminum (which you can also DIY... don't know why people think vinyl is the only gutter you can DIY.... maybe cuz they can fit the short lengths in their car???) that i'd say that's the route you should take. First bend up the gutter apron, trying to gently ease the angle of it... (or slip a long 1/2" thick plywood shim behind it if you can to help hold it 1/2" away from the fascia) and then mount your gutter mounts as high as you can to the gutter apron. if needed, you may have to add some sort of additional flashing under the gutter apron to direct water into the gutter cuz you don't want it flowing behind the gutter. Kind of mickey mouse, but...

I don't want to disparage your product too much, since that's frowned on here. But most of the professionals here will probably give you the same answer since it's just not a product a professional would really use.
 
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Sorry if I sounded rude. I've just been doing this stuff for 40 years and see what happens when someone tries to DIY gutters.
Most I've seen are also narrower so more water runs over them or they over flow, and impossible to install most gutter guards in.
 
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Thank you for your fair and objective reply and attempt to help. We only bought about 12 feet to try by the mudroom so not out a whole lot yet. Not fond of the the idea of nailing into the ends of the rafter tails anyway. May look for some special brackets that wrap around the rafter tails and fasten into the sides of them. I know the difference between drip edge and gutter apron. There is drip edge on the gable ends but there is apron where the gutter will go. What I have read about the vinyl is that they are okay in short spans and most people make the mistake of gluing them together which does not allow the expansion and contraction that they need to do. Just need to get something over the doorway soon. Thank you.
 
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