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12-05-13, 07:03 AM   #1 (permalink)  
Can't remove shower handle - no set screw

Hello,

I am trying to remove the handle on my shower to replace the cartridge. I lose water pressure when I turn the handle to hot and also between hot and warm the water will pulsate. I also notice a small leak in the closet behind the shower wall where the piping is when I remove the access panel.

I have done some reading and searching but can't find how to remove this handle that I have. The only place I found that I thought it would be was under the handle there is a small red/blue plastic piece covering a hole. I removed that and turned the handle all the way left and right while shining a flashlight inside and there is nothing to loosen. I only see metal.

There is no name on the shower faceplate, but it says Kohler on the shower faucets below for the bath water. I have taken some pictures to help hopefully someone can clarify what I have and what I need to do to fix this problem I am having.

Thanks!

Here are links to the pictures because it wouldn't let me add them in this post.

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/6261/1ghp.jpg
Shower handle

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/1548/vxtl.jpg
Under shower handle

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12-05-13, 07:08 AM   #2 (permalink)  
Is that a set screw? If it's calcified, you might want to soak it with LimeAway or the other stuff I can't recall. Damn it's tough getting old.

 
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12-05-13, 07:15 AM   #3 (permalink)  
There is no set screw. It was just a hole when I removed the plastic blue/red piece and looking inside with a flashlight all I can see is metal. There is nothing to put anything into.

 
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12-05-13, 07:23 AM   #4 (permalink)  
Since it's metal, then I would still use CLR (that's the other brand I was trying to think of) or LimeAway. That hard water build up can make removing faucet handles very difficult. Under that button there should be a set screw. How would the handle be secured to the stem when it was first installed. Its probably just heavily corroded. You may need to pry it off being careful not to crack your tiles. You might need to put a 2 x 4 or similar against the tile and then gingerly using a pry bar try to remove it. But it still must be attached somehow. And by looking at the pic I can only assume a set screw.

 
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12-05-13, 07:30 AM   #5 (permalink)  
I wish I could show you the inside how I see it. I scraped inside there and it is just smooth. Looking inside with a flashlight there is nothing. Is there any other way it could be attached?

 
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12-05-13, 07:34 AM   #6 (permalink)  
Sure looks like you could use a water softener.
There a set screw in that hole. It's just full of calcium.
Something like a dental pick or a flat jewelers screwdriver will clean it out.

 
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12-05-13, 07:35 AM   #7 (permalink)  
Not that I can think of. Try going to the Kohler web site and see if you can identify the model. If all else fails call them. If you describe the unit, they should be able to tell you what model it is and how to remove handle.

Maybe some of the others here can chime in.


What joe said.

 
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12-05-13, 07:36 AM   #8 (permalink)  
Thats a moen posi temp I am pretty sure...

Yes there should be a set screw in that hole...

Here is what you have.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo5258_how-to-repair-a-single-lever-moen-faucet-for-a-shower-or-tub-and-adjust-the-temperature_school


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12-05-13, 07:38 AM   #9 (permalink)  
Thats a moen posi temp I am pretty sure...

Yes there should be a set screw in that hole...

Here is what you have.


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Your link does not work. OP said its labeled Kohler.

 
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12-05-13, 07:44 AM   #10 (permalink)  
Your link does not work. OP said its labeled Kohler.
Link/video should work...

I dont think its a kohler. The bath faucets are..


To the OP do you lift the handle to turn on water or rotate it???


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12-05-13, 07:46 AM   #11 (permalink)  
Agree! Good video.

Just filler characters to meet the 25 minimum.

 
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12-05-13, 07:47 AM   #12 (permalink)  
You pull the handle towards you to turn on the water then left for hotter and right for cold water.

 
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12-05-13, 08:15 AM   #13 (permalink)  
Ok,

I found something when I turn the water on pulling the handle out and to the right I see a set screw. Any idea though what type of cartridge I will need or how to find out what type of shower this is?

Also how do I turn the water off so I don't get soaked trying to take this handle off because it has to be on to get at this screw?

 
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12-05-13, 08:18 AM   #14 (permalink)  
Lawrosa is most probably correct. Take the old cartridge with you to the home improvement store. Either get OEM or a DANCO brand unit. When inserting the new unit, I suggest smearing a light coat of petroleum jelly on the unit to help facilitate insertion and be mindful of the direction (up vs down). Good Luck.

You should have an isolation valve someplace, but if not then turn off the water for the whole house. Open some other faucets to relieve pressure and disassemble unit.

 
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12-05-13, 08:22 AM   #15 (permalink)  
Its probably a moentrol then... 1225B cartridge..

Turn the main off so you can work on getting the handle off. Once off post pic... I will tell you what it is..


When inserting the new unit, I suggest smearing a light coat of petroleum jelly on the unit to help facilitate insertion
NO!!! You will swell the washers.. No petroleum progucts.....

Vegetable oil if anything


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12-05-13, 08:34 AM   #16 (permalink)  
Thanks lawrosa,

Anything I need to be aware of when turning off the main water supply? I think I found it in our laundry room, but just checking before I turn it off.

 
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12-05-13, 08:41 AM   #17 (permalink)  
If its an old gate valve be careful it may break... Take a pic... Should be by the meter? Always close house side valve if there are two...
If ball valve no problem then... Or stop type...


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12-05-13, 08:51 AM   #18 (permalink)  
Here is what I see. This is the main water supply right?

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/4111/yp21.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img10/4654/l0rq.jpg
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Which knob should I be turning?

 
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12-05-13, 09:04 AM   #19 (permalink)  
Handle on right............................


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12-05-13, 09:21 AM   #20 (permalink)  
Thanks lawrosa,

The handle on the right shut the water off.

Would a bad shower cartridge explain lower water pressure when turning to hot and also the pulsating between warm and hot? If not, what should I be looking for when taking this apart?

 
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12-05-13, 09:59 AM   #21 (permalink)  
Yes change the cartridge... Get the handle off and take a pic...


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12-05-13, 10:04 AM   #22 (permalink)  
When inserting the new unit, I suggest smearing a light coat of petroleum jelly on the unit to help facilitate insertion


NO!!! You will swell the washers.. No petroleum progucts.....

Vegetable oil if anything
Hmmm...never heard that. Been doing for years never a problem. But point taken. Perhaps I should've said Vaseline or K-Y jelly. Are those petroleum based?

 
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12-05-13, 10:47 AM   #23 (permalink)  
I will be replacing this most likely tomorrow morning when I get home from work. I turned the water back on and left everything for now.

I will update back tomorrow or Saturday at the latest with a picture of the cartridge. Thanks for all of the help I appreciate it!

 
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12-05-13, 10:57 AM   #24 (permalink)  
Let us know....

Hmmm...never heard that. Been doing for years never a problem. But point taken. Perhaps I should've said Vaseline
Vasoline is petroleum based...Deteriorates O rings and swells them..

Vegetable oil, silicone grease, plumbers grease...etc...Are not petroleum bases...


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12-06-13, 10:36 AM   #25 (permalink)  
Here is a picture of what I see now. This cartridge looks way bigger than the 1225 I picked up. I'm not sure what cartridge this is or where I can get it? Any ideas?

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3125/mxuc.jpg
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1674 TYPE P ASSE 1016

 
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12-06-13, 11:09 AM   #26 (permalink)  
Its not a moen..

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12-06-13, 11:21 AM   #27 (permalink)  
Its american standard..

You need this.....( Cartridge)

American Standard Ceramic Hot/Cold Cartridge for Ceramix, Electromix and Aquarian Shower Faucets-023529-0070A at The Home Depot

Balanace spool...

American Standard Pressure Balance Unit for Single-Control Tub/Shower Valve-M952100-0070A at The Home Depot

Here is your faucet

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/a...Parts_2182.pdf


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12-06-13, 11:41 AM   #28 (permalink)  
Thanks so much lawrosa! You have been very helpful figuring this out for me. Is there anywhere I can get these parts locally, or do I need to order them from Home Depot? I am just about to place an order for both of these parts from Home Depot, but wanted to double check.

Also do you know of any guide I can use for taking this all apart?

 
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12-06-13, 12:36 PM   #29 (permalink)  
I belive the home stores may have them in stock..

This is best I could find for you..

Dont lose parts in the wall..

The 2nd part does not come apart as he shows when he splits it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XrK82vyZlg#t=95


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12-06-13, 12:57 PM   #30 (permalink)  
Thanks again. I ordered the two parts and will install them and let you know how it goes once they are shipped.

 
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12-06-13, 03:33 PM   #31 (permalink)  
American Standard would send you the parts for free.

 
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12-13-13, 08:58 AM   #32 (permalink)  
lawrosa,

I got the two parts this morning from HD and did the install. I (as well as the Wife) are very happy that the pulsating between hot/cold and water pressure issue is fixed. Thank you so much for your help and guiding me in the right direction to get this fixed.

I have attached some pictures of the old parts that I removed. I did notice that in the one part, there was a rock like black sediment that was stuck in the one hole. Hopefully the picture can show what I mean.

Thanks again!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/4052/hjoh.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/4355/5czf.jpg

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12-13-13, 09:15 AM   #33 (permalink)  
Great job... Glad its fixed...

Sediment could be from anywhere... water heater, pipes, or if on well its common...

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12-14-13, 11:06 AM   #34 (permalink)  
A small problem I am noticing still is a small drip behind the shower. Behind the shower wall there is a small access panel at the bottom and I am noticing that there is still a small drip leak. I have a plastic container and I can feel the drip on the inside of the wall. Any idea how to figure out where this could be coming from?

 
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12-14-13, 11:46 AM   #35 (permalink)  
Constant drip?

The cartridge did not seat all the way?

Could it be from the shower head where the arm screws in?

Did you seal the wall plate with phenoseal? Possibly leak from splashing around plate?

The hot and cold stops to the right and left of the valve body if there is any?

If you have access panel take a pic...


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