Anyone know how to remove the handle? I dont see any screws....

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Anyone know how to remove the handle? I dont see any screws....

I have a little drip of hot water and I need to replace the washer on the valve.
Anyone know how to remove the handle? I don't see any screws.... Would this be causing my hot water not to last long in the shower?

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Old 12-24-13, 07:26 PM
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Hi, Merry Christmas....Welcome.

The cap of the handle either pops off or unscrews. You can then remove the handle and access the cartridge...

Would this be causing my hot water not to last long in the shower?
No not with that shower valve....
 
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Electric or gas heater?
If it's electric I'd be checking the elements to see of one's burned out or tripped the reset.
Going to have to shut the main water line off to the house to work on that cartridge.
 
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its a gas heater, thanks for your reply
 
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hi lawrosa, thanks for your reply
 
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Dont do nothing now with the holidays... Post back at a later day........
 
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Post the make and model of the water heater.... Possibly the dip tube has broke which will cause less hot water and make the showers go cold faster...

You can do a simple bucket test in the tub to find out if thats the cause.....
 
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ok, cool, ill post the make and model and do the bucket test when i get home, what does the bucket test do?
 
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Get a 5 gal bucket...

Make sure water heater has turned off and has heated the tank completely..

Go to tub and turn on hot water only.

Start filling bucket. As it fills near the top, dump it and fill again...

You should get 6 or so buckets of hot water without the water becoming cool. If you have a thermometer to check the water temp as you fill the buckets will help...

If you only get 2 or 3 buckets, or less then 6 and the water becomes cool very fast, that denotes a dip tub issue...

This video is for reference only....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_4hZu5OPxc
 
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ok, thanks, will do, ill try this later on
 
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with the bucket test, the water temp goes down to warm during the 5th bucket and pretty much not warm enough to take a shower during the 6th bucket, the water heater is a Whirpool 40 Gal gas heater, model #BFG1F4034T3NOV

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A standard tank-type water heater can supply about 70% of the gallon capacity until the temperature drops noticeably. Your test confirms the heater is probably doing all it can.

What temperature setting are you using on the heater? Jacking up the temperature and blending more cold with the hot will make it last longer. The downside is that with dual-handled faucets there is a real danger of scalding. This can be overcome by installing a "tempering valve" right after the water heater outlet. The tempering valve will automatically mix cold with the hot before it gets to any faucet. This way you have the health advantage of running a higher temperature in the heater proper to kill any harmful bacteria and also the greater amount of useable hot water.
 
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i keep the temp on the heater on "HOT", the highest setting, and i blend the cold with the hot, and i have to keep turning the cold down throughout the shower to keep the water warm, there has got to be something wrong with it because i have never complained about this problem in the past
 
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Then I am at a loss to explain. The bucket test seems to show a fairly normal operation of the heater. Seventy percent of forty gallons (tank capacity) is 28 gallons. You state it is with the fifth bucket (25 gallons) that the temperature drops significantly. It could be as simple as much colder water entering the heater because it is winter.
 
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How old is this tank? This might be a long shot but check the back draft insert (the long twisted metal sheet) going down under the flu pipe. If that is broken or corroded it might cause your problem. Are all you your faucets in good shape and not leaking? Also try doing a flush via the drain valve. If you have heavy sediment at the bottom that could cause the same problem.

See this video as a guide of how a tank works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0xjkPaUyMc
 
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Like was said here your heater seems to be working...

Im at a loss also because your faucet does not have a balance spool in it AFAIK...
 
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the tank is 7 years old, the bath tub faucet drips a little hot water, i need to change that washer as soon as i figure out how to take the handle off, lawrosa said that probably is not causing the problem, im gonna flush the tank in a sec
 
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Last thing I can think of is are you on a slab??? If you have a slab leak this may cause a loss of hot water... Although your test shows OK you may have did your test when the heater just kicked off...

Well its a long shot....
 
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i believe so, the heater is elevated on a small platform
 
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meaning you have no basement or crawl space?

Make sure there is no water running in the home... Then go take a look at your water meter... Is the small dial spinning?
 
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no basement or crawl space here
 
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ok, so i did something bad, i didnt turn off the gas or cold water before i drained the tank. i no, it makes no since. so i just stopped draining and now i have a slow drip from the tank drain no matter how hard i turn to the right. will this go away?
 
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No.. go get a hose bib cap at the homestore..

3/4 in. Lead-Free Brass Garden Hose Cap-LFA-685 at The Home Depot

Did you check your meter with no water running?
 
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yeah, it was spinning very slowly
 
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yeah, it was spinning very slowly
Verify that... You may have a hot water line leak under the slab...What this does is constantly adds cold water to the HWH. This will cause the issues you may be having...

Make sure no toilets are running.... When you see the meter spinning go to the HWH and close the cold water valve to the heater... Does the meter stop when you do this?

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so i put the cap on and it is still leaking......... should i drain the tank ?
 
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Clint...did you turn off the cold water to the WH?
 
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no i didnt, i just put the cap on
 
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Read Mikes post again You need to cut off cold water to the WH to verify the issue. You might also re-check toilets for running, or turn off their supplies.
 
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ok, i just turned off the cold water now
 
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so im gonna drain the tank, i turned the gas off, opened the valve, turned cold water off, hardly anything is coming out


by the way, that dial on the water meter is still spinning
 
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Clint...yer jumping around all over the place. You already drained the tank, correct? No need to do it again. WH will only drain if you open a hot water faucet somewhere else in the home. Do a search for how to flush/drain a water heater.

What's the status of the water meter dial/needle now that you cut off the cold supply to the WH?
 
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i didnt drain it all the way, the meter dial is still spinning after i cut off the cold supply
 
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Well, it isn't an issue with your lack of hot water (unless you have a bad valve), but it sounds like you have another issue.

If the water meter is still moving with no water usage in the house and all supply valves off...you have a leak between the meter and the house, which is costing you money.

Don't be offended...but are you sure you are looking at YOUR water meter? Or that you are looking at your WATER meter? Where is it located? What does it look like. Give us a pic or vid if you can.

Normally with a leak, the dial/needled/triangle will just barely be moving, unless it's a huge leak, which your water bill would reflect.
 
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so i put the cap on and it is still leaking
OK one think at a time... Whats leaking? The HWH drain valve? Was there a rubber washer inside the cap? Sometimes they come without one... Its the same washer used for your outside hoses...


i didnt drain it all the way, the meter dial is still spinning after i cut off the cold supply

Cold supply to the HWH??? What type of valve is this? Is it a 1/4 turn ball valve? Maybe its not turning off all the way...

And you are sure your toilets are not running correct?
 
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yes , hwh drain valve is leaking now, there was a rubber washer in the cap, cold supply to hwh is valve with red handle
 
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Mikes back, its all his now.
 
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Is it leaking from the drain itself or the packing nut?
 
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its actually leaking from the nut
 
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Whats the make and model of the heater?

Can you tighten that nut? Is it plastic or brass?
 
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