Want to increase amount of water in toilet bowl-Not the tank

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Old 11-20-19, 02:08 PM
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Want to increase amount of water in toilet bowl-Not the tank

I want to increase the amount of water in the bowl, not the tank. I know how to adjust the amount of water that goes into the tank so it does not run continuously but I don't know how to increase the amount of water in the bowl.

Just had the toilet replaced.

Looking at the red arrow I put in the image I know I can not allow the water to go above this pipe opening or the toilet will continue to run non stop.

My eyes are not good and I am some what sure there is a way to make an adjustment on this device to increase the amount of water in the toilet bowl itself. The problem now is that the water level in the bowl is too low and solids tend to stick to the surface of the bowl because the solids are not submerged in water.

Is there any way to make an adjustment on this device to increase or raise the level of water in the bowl? I hope there is. Causing me a lot of work cleaning the bowl several times a week because solids stick to the sides of the bowl.

If an adjustment is possible but will increase the amount of water per flush this is fine with me. I am just tired of seeing solids stick to the bowl surface.

Suggestions please.
 
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You can't - it's based on the trap, which is not adjustable.
 
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I agree. You cannot adjust the amount of water in the bowl. It's literally baked into it. The height of the trap determines the height of the water.

 
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Oh Crap - Literally!!

Really?!!

I didn't know that. I thought for sure there was some sort of adjustment on the device.

So when you buy a toilet how do you know how high the water level will be in the bowl?

The toilet flushes really nice, meaning with a lot of force but the other stuff gets stuck on the sides - "don't go down" Takes two or three flushes.
 
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So when you buy a toilet how do you know how high the water level will be in the bowl?
You don't unless the manufacturer has it listed as a spec but I've never seen it listed.
 
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I thought for sure there was some sort of adjustment on the device.
Just being curious, why do you want to raise, or lower, the level of water in the bowl!
 
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Marq1: As I said in my original post I want to raise the level of the water so solids don't become stuck to the sides of the bowl so easily causing me to clean it far more often.

Also, even if the water level can't go higher than the trap I would assume then that there is no adjustment at all. Meaning there is only one water level height. It is not that there is an adjustment that can be made but only so far up not to go over the trap. It just seems to me that this water level if far too low than normal level in a bowl. It just barely comes up to the top (maybe a bit higher) of the hole at the bottom of the bowl where everything goes down when flushed.
 
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I remember several years ago when I took a trip to Scotland that their toilets had very little water in the bowl area. You could just barely see it. I assume that is typical in Britain if not Europe.

Not to sound crud, but what the hell are you eating that it sticks to the sides? As you do your thing, flush it immediately to avoid the problem.
 
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Toilets in Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal are the same (except for the occasional public toilet that was simply two footprints and a hole) and they are problematic no matter what you eat. Every apartment I lived in and every hotel I stayed in had a toilet brush next to the toilet.

The house I am renting has two toilets. One is a golden oldie, low seat, round bowl American Standard. High water level in the bowl and "sticking" is never an issue. The other toilet is a newer model American Standard, comfort height, elongated bowl, 1.6 gpf with very low water level and it is sometimes a problem. I wonder if the low water level is another way to achieve the government over reach low flush limit.
 
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Try adjusting the linkage on the fill valve float so the float and water level rise a little more before shutting off (if possible). See if this improves the situation.

There might still be some room behind the bowl for more water to accumulate if the fill process ran for a few more seconds before wshuttig off.
 
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I know the OP said it was new toilet and I agree that the trap determines the bowl water height. But up until now it has been assumed the fill valve is in good working order. If the fill valve leaks, that will in fact prevent all the water destined to go into the bowl to just fill the tank instead.

If the fill valve is not working properly then AllenJ is on the right track. But just adjusting won't fix the problem if the fill is broken or if it's in perfect condition.

Another thought. Here in the States, almost all toilets meant for the American house hold should have ample water so that almost all solids will be covered almost all the time.

So now I'm beginning to think the fill valve is faulty. Try replacing it. For the few dollars it cost it may solve you problem.

edit... and I'm a big proponent of the float-less fill valves.
 
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Hi, Try adjusting the water level in the tank as high as you can get it with out going into the overflow maybe you are not getting enough water to the bowl when you flush. If that doesn't work hold the handle down when you flush to drain all the water from the tank into the bowl.
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Let me guess. It is an elongated bowl. They are nice toilets but they are the worst for streaking. The basic problem is the area you sit is over top of ceramic, where in the non-elongated bowl toilets you sit over top of water. Makes a big difference on the streaking issue.
 
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Another option is to get a bidet seat. Many models have a pre mist feature that wets the bowl before use to prevent Klingons (I apologize for the Star Trek pun). The seat would require a electric outlet next to the toilet and would cost $400+. It's one of those things most people's first reaction is "that's crazy" but they're actually quite nice.
 
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OptsyEagle: You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly the problem. Plus the seat is somewhat molded to fit your "bum" so it causes you to sit further back which makes it even worse. The water comes up to just at the top of the hole (which is further forward than where you sit) in the bowl and everything else (the surface of the bowl) is totally exposed and dried so everything just sticks to the bowl.

I have tried pre-flushing but that does not always seem to work. I have a medical condition (and also 63) so my solids are not always so solid which makes it worse. Medication I take makes it even worse at times.

A "fill valve" was mentioned. What is it and how do I adjust it. I included an image of the inside of the toilet tank. Is there any way for someone to note on the image as to where the fill value is. If you mean the valve outside the toilet that lets the water in that is totally open.
 
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Not sure what the suggestion was but the fill valve is the components in the left back corner of your picture. It is what fills the water into the tank and then shuts it off when it reaches a certain height.
 
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If in fact that is the problem, then have a squeeze or spray bottle of water to wet the bowl before using it. It's cheap and effective.
 
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So I guess I am SOL. I tried turning this white collar thing (red arrow) and it does nothing but turn.

Who would have thought that I needed to tell the salesman at the Home Depot that I need a toilet that has water higher than the hole in the bowl. Good Grief
 
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The ring your arrow points two locks the top half of the fill valve onto the stem. If you pull up really hard on it you can raise and lower the fill valve to fit different toilets (but don't do it with the water turned on or you and the ceiling could get a shower). Again, any adjustments to the tank water level only affect the water level inside the tank. It does nothing to the water level in the bowl.

You might find a modern toilet with a slightly different shape of water held in the bowl but you aren't going to find any toilets bowls holding and ocean. All modern toilets are water saving and don't use much water to flush. Holding more water in the bowl reduces the amount available for flushing so modern bowls hold less water.

If you want a toilet bowl with huge water surface start looking by the roadside, second hand stores and contractors for old toilets. You want one made before low flow toilets were invented.

You can also look at getting a bidet sprayer. This is similar to the sprayer hose at your kitchen sink. It hooks into the water supply for the toilet and gives you a sprayer wand. You can use it for wetting down the bowl before use and afterwords can wash down the bowl.

 
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Hi. It's true you can't adjust the level in the bowl, but you want to know if the bowl is full. With the toilet seat up flush the toilet let it fill. Take a board and lay it across the bowl.Using a tape measure and measure from the top of the board to just the surface of the water. Now gently pour about a gallon of water into the bowl be gentle you don't want to flush the toilet. this should fill the bowl to the top of the trap. Now measure again if the measurements are the same your out of luck. If there is a significant difference then you have to get more water from the tank to the bowl.
Adjust the water level in the tank as high as you can, make sure water is coming out of the little hose and into the overflow. As a last resort change the fill valve be aware I changed at least 200 valves and only once did I have the fill valve cause low flow to the little hose. They may make a fill valve with an adjustment for that overflow hose.
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Old 12-02-19, 04:07 AM
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Ok, with the suggestions I decided to treat myself to a bidet sprayer. It will take care of two things. The bowl and me.

Here it is


Thanks for the suggestions and explanations. Much appreciated!!
 
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Now, just hope your cold water isn't too cold.
 
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Now, just hope your cold water isn't too cold.
Shocking at first, but you get use to it!
 
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Sorry for the delayed response.

Ok I received the unit I ordered (Post #21 for link if interested). Installed it today.

Plenty of "jet power". It shoots across the bathroom and out the door. Good for spraying the cat from a distance when she comes in while I'm sitting; no not really - wouldn't do that. Why do cats do that anyway.

Never thought about the cold water - burrrr!

My bathroom is over a crawl space that is not heated. Never thought about the temp of the water. Although more interested in being able to spray the bowl when needed instead of cleaning it all the time. During the warm months it will be ok though.

Thanks for the thought of the hand held bidet. Never even knew they made them.

Now when I sit in the morning with my I can feel rest assured that the bowl will be clean before I leave the bathroom.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone
 
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