ceramic tile on vinyl?
#1
ceramic tile on vinyl?
Hi, I plan to install ceramic on my kitchen floor, currently it's gloss vinyl over board, is it possible I install ceramic tile directly on vinyl, any drawback?
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
#2
Possible? Anything is possible.
Advisable? Not unless you are willing to replace your cracked grout and broken tiles in the next couple of years.
Vinyl flooring is too cushioned and too slick for tile to adhere to. The wood underneath will expand and contract ,what do you think that will do to tile? The subfloor has to be a minimum thickness, and the joists have to be rigid enough for a tile installation. My vote, remove the vinyl, find out what is under it and then post back with the info.
Advisable? Not unless you are willing to replace your cracked grout and broken tiles in the next couple of years.
Vinyl flooring is too cushioned and too slick for tile to adhere to. The wood underneath will expand and contract ,what do you think that will do to tile? The subfloor has to be a minimum thickness, and the joists have to be rigid enough for a tile installation. My vote, remove the vinyl, find out what is under it and then post back with the info.
#6
It looks like your going to have a hieght difference from the tile to the what looks like wood or laminate. If the plywood is underlay, you can tear it out and install hopefully a thinner concrete board and then the tile, that way the height is lower.
#7
you need i min. of 1 1/8 of subfloor with joists 2x10 on 16" centers to support tile.Take the luan up and go back with 1/2 durock screwed and glued per manufacturers reccomendations.By glued i mean thinset sorry.Then we talk tile,if you skimp on this part it is garunteed to fail ya.Check the joists and let us know what you have,check the span of the beam alsoand check the thickness of the plywood subfloor without the luan
#8

Hey guys, thanks a lot for response, I just checked again, there is a new problem, actually there already had ceramic tile installed on one side of my kitchen to place appliances, they used mesh under ceramic, please check images below.
And it seems there is already layed 1/4" plywood underneath vinyl in kitchen.
what should I do - lay mesh underneath ceramic like it's done before or lay a subfloor like wonderboard?
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Thanks in advance
And it seems there is already layed 1/4" plywood underneath vinyl in kitchen.
what should I do - lay mesh underneath ceramic like it's done before or lay a subfloor like wonderboard?
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Thanks in advance
#10
I just got this data from my second floor, kitchen is in main floor, it should be same, Joist Height: 7.25", Width 1.5", spaceing on center 16", length 10', thickness of subfloor is 3/4", is it ok?
May I use 1/4 durock? since there is height issue.
Thanks
May I use 1/4 durock? since there is height issue.
Thanks
Last edited by aern; 11-26-03 at 08:25 PM.
#11
Your deflection as it stands is L/480. That's good enough for ceramic, not good enough for most natural stone.
Instead of using 1/4" cement board, why not go with 1/8" Ditra? It's much quicker and easier to install, plus it won't be a hassle to pick up from the store. It cuts with a box cutter and installs with a modified thinset (over plywood).
It goes over 3/4" plywood or OSB.
Instead of using 1/4" cement board, why not go with 1/8" Ditra? It's much quicker and easier to install, plus it won't be a hassle to pick up from the store. It cuts with a box cutter and installs with a modified thinset (over plywood).
It goes over 3/4" plywood or OSB.
#13
Darn tootin'.
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It's the #1 question on our website and even though it's the first question answered in our FAQ section, people still ask about it on forums such as these.
If you need help writing it, I'll lend a hand.
David
#14
Hi, Guys, thanks for the input, I decided to use Ditra, but when I pull up the plywood, find another layer over plank, looks like mortar, but 12"*12" each piece, thicknees is similar to vinyl, what's that, what should I do? it adheres to plank very well, hard to pull up. is it good that I just install ceramic over plywood or over it?
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Thanks
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Thanks
#17
Going backwards on this subject. I didn't want to post a new title as it all falls back on the same subject. Tiling over existing sheet vinyl flooring. I have a small bathroom and I have asked a number of contractors this question and I get a 50/50 response. Some say it is ok to install concrete board directly over the sheet vinyl as long as there are plenty of screws and the sub floor is adequate below the vinyl. Especially in a small bathroom where the width is no more than 5 or 6 feet. Others state the opposite. The contractor who I know personally which is the better of the few I asked said that putting a 1/4" durock is adequate over the vinyl. I am so confused on this matter.
#20
Look at what it'll cost if things do go wrong. You've not only wasted tile, you'll have to pay for more. Nobody likes to do a job twice, so do it right the first time.
The right way is to remove the vinyl.
Is it really worth wondering about if it's going to fail? Are you that much of a gambler?
Do it right and you'll sleep very well.
The right way is to remove the vinyl.
Is it really worth wondering about if it's going to fail? Are you that much of a gambler?

Do it right and you'll sleep very well.