reattaching a recessed soap dish

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Old 09-28-04, 11:02 AM
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reattaching a recessed soap dish

I was wondering how to reattach a recessed soap dish ? When the dish was "removed " it left the surronding wall board and tile intact, and a hole in the shower wall, also there was a lot of old newspaper stuffed in the hole between the dish and the wall. The dish came out with a large chunk of mortar attached to it. The newspaper appears hve been used as a spacer but it's unclear how the dish was held in place since 1959. Any ideas will be appreciated.
 
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Old 09-28-04, 01:06 PM
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hello i am going to try to help you it might be that you have a mud up shower walls if so you can take and put some thinsetmortar to re apply :
 
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Old 09-29-04, 07:53 AM
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What is a mud up shower ? It appears the tile is applied to the wall board in a normal manner
 
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Old 09-29-04, 09:23 AM
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Uh....that doesn't sound good.

This is a shower? Or is it a tub surround? In other words is this a stand-up shower with a tiled basin, and a curb that defines where the door is, or is this just a tub, with some tile that runs up the wall to help contain moisture on three sides?

Either way if the tile was set on drywall it wasn't done right. What tile man means by a "mud up shower" is the traditional way of building a shower or tub surround. A vapor barrier is used to prevent moisture from invading the space and materials inside the wall or over the studs (could be drywall), and overlaps either the lining of the shower pan or the tub lip. A lattice like chicken wire is hung, and a standard mortar is used to screed out a surface tile can be set on over the lattice. This makes the surface the tile can be adhered to using a modified mortar or thinset. Then a sanded grout is used on the tile, a sealer, and calk is used to seal the seam between the tile and the tub if it's a surround.

That was the traditional way of making a mortar bed for tile. Now you can use a tile backer like Wonderboard, Hardibacker, Durrock, etc. to make that mortar "bed", but you still have to either install a vapor barrier behind it, or roll on a water proof membrane over it before you set tile. Some installers do both for good measure. That's what I would do. Then you use modified thinset and fiber tape to mud and tape the seams, and then spread your adhesive if the surfaces are flat.

What it sounds like you have is tile adhered to drywall. Was mastic used or thinset? At this point it might not matter because moisture is probably allowed to penetrate the drywall anyway, so it's a matter of time before the rest of your tile begins to fall off. You can only tile over drywall if you either have a dry area where no moisture penetrates, or use a special water proofing membrane to prevent moisture from penetrating. Either way mastic is out of the question for wet areas because it will re-hydrate and loose it's adhering ability. Thinset, or a modified mortar is required.


I would inspect your wall and the rest of your tile. The soap dish coming out may be the prelogue to problems with the rest of your tile. Determine if a membrane was used, and what type of adhesive. Check for tightness of tiles near the bottom of the wall or tub where the moisture would collect most. If spongy or soft your drywall is toast. If the tiles pop off the wall the wrong adhesive was used.
 
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