Rip vinyl up before tiling in bathroom?

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Old 02-23-16, 05:17 AM
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Rip vinyl up before tiling in bathroom?

just a quick question.. should I rip up this vinyl floor before tiling? .. its in good shape.. I know there is some stuff called Ditra that can go over it.. . obviously Im new to all of this and this is going to be our practice bathroom to learn from.. thanks
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Old 02-23-16, 05:20 AM
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I would. It's not that big and the extra work to remove it won't be that bad. Then you'll have a good solid base to lay down concrete board before tiling.
 
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thanks.. your right its not that big about 32 sq/ft
 
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There is probably some underlayment under the vinyl that should be removed too.
 
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Let's start at the basics: what's the size, spacing and unsupported span of the floor joists as well as what's the composition of the current flooring?
 
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ah.. not sure.. this is up on a second floor.. so its probably wood floor or particle board.. we just moved into the house a year ago
 
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Tile has minimum requirements for floor stiffness and we want to make sure you have them in place so you tile job does fail in short order.

Do you have any open ceilings on the first floor? Any floor vents in the bathroom?
 
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there is a vent when I get home I will take a look.. my guess is its on sheets of particle boards... the floors are very quiet.. no creaking... unlike some of the Ryan homes we looked at.. they all seemed to creak like crazy...
 
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Old 02-23-16, 01:16 PM
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Yes, the sheet vinyl and its 1/4" underlayment need to be removed to tile. Once we get the other requested information we can see about your subfloor needs.
 
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looks like its glued right to the wood floor
 
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That looks like 1/4" lauan to me but I'm not there.
 
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You are going to have to pry back the metal on the vent to see what the floor make up really is.
 
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ok will do tonight.. I'd be surprised if its only a 1/4 inch subfloor.. or are you saying that might just be the backer for the vinyl?
 
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You generally will have a subfloor 3/4" thick... then 1/4" underlayment... then your vinyl. We are saying the 1/4" underlayment will need to be removed.
 
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dang.. I don't want to take out that vanity that is in there right now.. am I going to have a hard time getting that underlayment out if its under the vanity? this is starting to get ugly.. I might be talking myself out of tiling
 
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If the underlayment goes under the vanity, you just cut around the vanity.
 
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is that underlayment usually nailed to the subfloor?
 
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Nailed or stapled to the subfloor, yes.
 
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what type of tool would you use to cut it close to the vanity.... sorry... I'm not really a tool time guy ...lol small DIY'er
 
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Typical cutting is a circular saw set to the depth of the vinyl and underlayment but up next to the vanity or against a wall an oscillating saw is the best choice.
 
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There is a good chance that the 1/4" does not go under the vanity. Floors are usually one of the last things done during the build so the underlayment may well have gone in after the bathroom was completed. It would have been the flooring subs responsibility, not necessarily the builders.
 
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I havent had a chance to pull back the metal yet.. we might be in a holding patter on the floor.. might have visitors in a couple weeks now.. so we need an actual working bathroom... still need to get mirror out and new countertop and sink and faucet in though
 
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I have seen a job where 12x12 glued vinyl tiles were covered with 1/2" plywood board and screwed in well using 1 5/8" screws. Then the guys threw in flexible thin set mortar on the board and also on the back of each ceramic tile.

The job has been good for 3 years running now. It was in the kitchen and hence a high traffic area, but the job has stood well to the toughness grade.
 
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Jobs like that have worked many times in many places but they are not best practice and are more likely to fail than a proper job.
 
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Yes of course it's glued right to the wood floor. That wood we see is luan ply which is under " thick. Take it to the curb.

Jaz
 
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If the luan is under the vanity, you can cut around it with a utility knife.
 
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I had the same circumstances in my bath remodel: vanity base cabinet on floor surrounded by two separate layers of vinyl flooring that had been applied sometime over the decades prior to me buying the home. Beneath all that vinyl was 1/4" luan. These guys are correct- tearing it all out is the best way to insure a clean & level base but it's surprisingly easy so don't get intimidated. The vanity base cabinet probably only involves disconnecting (unscrewing) the plumbing supply and waste lines, and then some screws holding it to the wall. The vinyl and luan beneath it may all peel up as one piece very easily. I just used a hammer & pry bar to start lipping the edge up, and then it peels up in large sheets that you can fold back and break upon itself in the sizes you choose as comfortable to carry out. No specialty tools needed.
 
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so the new tile is in.. looks great... I had someone tile it.. but I did all the demoing.. only issue now is that the tile is about a 1/4 higher than the toilet flange.. I ordered a jumbo wax ring for the new toilet .. hoping this will be enough
 
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If the existing vinyl floor tile is firmly attached, you can successfully put down tile over it. Scuff the surface for some bite and use a quality modified thinset.
 
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Old 05-22-16, 08:32 PM
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Marissaford1122, welcome to the forums. Why advise someone to do something that is not a proven method of tiling?
 
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